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Yemi is currently the Constellation Hive organizer at Black Feminist Future and she has a background in abortion advocacy, abortion clinic administration, and intimate partner violence legal advocacy. Yemi is a former co-facilitator of the queer pregnancy support groups at MAIA Midwifery. Yemi began her interest in liberation work as a Comparative Women’s Studies major at Spelman College where she began organizing and developing her radical worldview. Her work was also shaped by her time as a radical feminist bookseller at Charis Books. 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We're interviewing Yemisi Combahee for Georgia Dusk: A Southern Liberation Oral History Project. Today is February 9, 2023. And we're conducting this oral history in Yemisi and Ashby's home in College Park, Georgia. You've been asked to participate in Georgia Dusk: An Oral History, conducted by Ashby Combahee and Dartricia Rollins. The project is partnered with the Spelman College Archives, a component of the Women's Research and Resource Center, founded by iconic Black feminist Dr. Beverly Guy-Sheftall, and which serves to document the experiences of contemporary Black feminist scholars, activists and cultural workers. The purpose of Georgia Dusk is to gather and preserve firsthand narratives of organizers and cultural workers who have a connection to Georgia and who are part of the Southern Freedom Movement. The oral history interviews provide elements of history that are often not apparent in traditional archival documents, or dominant medium. The interviews enable participants to reclaim the narrative and historical representation of liberation movements throughout Georgia. When used with other research materials, the oral histories help to provide a more holistic view of history. Yemi, can you please introduce yourself by saying your name, pronouns, age, and your work in the field of reproductive justice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=6.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYes, so I am Yemi or Yemisi Combahee. Folks also probably know me as Yemi or Yemisi Miller-Tonnet, which is also my previous last name. I'm 27 years old, I had to think about that for some reason. And I am a reproductive justice organizer, I have been a clinic worker. And I'm a doula.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=92.0,117.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nThank you. And the question that we love to start with, because it is a really grounding question, we think, is who do you dedicate your oral history to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=117.0,129.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee \n\nYes. I, without even thinking twice, will dedicate this oral history to my grandmother, Dorothy Miller. She was my entry point into a lot of these ideas. And I think she really created a foundation for a lot of folks in my family to be doing cultural work, organizing work. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=129.0,159.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nThank you. So tell us. Where and when were you born? And where were you raised? And who raised you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=159.0,170.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nOkay. I was born August 6, 1995, in Hackensack, New Jersey, which is a suburb of New York City. I was born in originally a two-parent household with my mom, my dad, and then I have an older brother, who is nine years older than me, who's adopted. And then I have two older half-sisters that were sometimes also in my house. One of-- both my sisters were actually born in Senegal. And so yeah, they would come and like spend summers with us. And so, my father was an immigrant from the island of Martinique, which is a very small French island that still doesn't have its independence, but has also produced, I think, because of that reason, some really revolutionary thinkers. And so yeah, I was definitely exposed to a lot of that thought growing up. And so that's just kind of like my, my standard nuclear family. But I think for a lot of Black folk, myself included, I was raised by so many more people than just the folks that were living in my house, including my grandma, who eventually did live in our house, and we had an intergenerational household for a lot of my upbringing. But I was really, really raised by Black women, mostly Black women, but just, in general, women. And so, my mom has had and still has a really deep network of just sister-friends that she really leaned on throughout my entire upbringing and who I always considered aunties, and a lot of whom she went to law school with. And so that was really the context of like, my community, my village. And so when I think of like, who shaped me, who raised me, I think of like, those countless women, I think of-- Yeah, those families and women who like came to every birthday party, who were always around. I was a kid that went to a lot of work things with my mom a lot. And so they were used to seeing me be there. And so yeah, I think that's partly because my mom very much identified as like a working mother, a working Black mom. But also because yeah, those are her friends. Those are her people. What was the last-- the other questions, who raised me? And what else, was the other question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=170.0,334.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nI think you answered the-- Where were you raised? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=334.0,339.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nOh, well, I guess I can expand on that, too. I was raised, primarily, up until like age 14, in New Jersey. But then, when I was around 14, going into high school, I went to high school in Washington, DC. Moved there with my mom. And I'll also say, do you want me to pause? Okay, I'll also say that I-- yeah, my dad left when I was around 12. And so, after that lived very much in a single-parent household. But I also felt, like even before that I lived in a single-parent household, because my dad would be away a lot, for like, months at a time, sometimes. He had a import export business that that would take him to, mostly Africa, for long stints of time. So yeah, and that also gave room for folks like my grandmother to step in, and my mom's friends to step in, and be around a lot. I'll also say, I grew up with a nanny who had a lot of influence on my upbringing, and was just around a lot. And I think, yeah. She was a Caribbean Black woman, and was there for most of my childhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=339.0,419.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm. Thank you. And what I hear you kind of, you know, sharing is that you were raised in this incredible extended family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=419.0,431.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=431.0,431.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nSo, not only intergenerational, but also your mom's sister-friends. And then you have this father who comes from Martinique, with this, like radical political background. And so I'm curious about the values that you were raised with in your home, and especially with the values of like your mom having this extended group of family, her sister-friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=431.0,463.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYeah. And it's interesting, because when you say values, I immediately think, okay, there are the values that your parents mean to teach you on purpose. And then there's the values that they actually teach you, from like what you actually pick up and how they actually live their lives. And sometimes those can be the same. And sometimes those can be different. So, backtrack-- I feel like I have to talk about the people who were in my lineage before I was even around, as a person, in order to like really talk about my family's values, particularly on my mom's side, too. So I come from a Black American family on my mom's side that really, like isn't traceable to the South for like several generations. So like, very Up-North Negros, right, like, *laughs* I think most Black folks can, like trace their grandparents or great-grandparents back to like someplace in the South. But as far as I know, my family has been in like the New York/New Jersey area for the last, at least, three generations. Most of them, anyway. And so I look to like my grandma, who was a very fair-skinned, sometimes passed as a Jewish woman. And she was born in 1919. She also-- like during World War II, she worked on a shipyard. She, you know, was like-- did the Rosie the Riveter thing. She was a survivor of the Great Depression. She used to tell me stories all the time about how she would be the one out of her family to go pick up the rations from like the food bank during the Great Depression because she was the lightest skinned one. So they would give them more food 'cause they thought she came from a white family, right. So this is kind of the context of my family's value system being built.  And I think because my grandmother married a dark-skinned man who-- they like, knew each other since they were 14, she got married at like 18, started having kids immediately, I guess, like you do back-- did back then. She married a dark-skinned man, had like, darker children than she was. And so she had a very like, acute understanding of what it was to navigate Blackness, even in New Jersey back then. And so she got involved with like the NAACP, and she was very into like, the Talented Tenth, like building, you know, Negro, like, Intelligencia, and like, you know, all-- kind of like that legacy of the Harlem Renaissance. And some of that, like neoliberal Black respectability politics that came out of that time period, too. And so she-- Yeah, she was very much entrenched in that, and they were not-- they did not have money by any means. My grandmother stayed at home for most of her career, 'cept when the war was going on. And she was kind of in and out of like, doing different hospital jobs and things like that when the kids got older, but my grandfather worked in construction. And they didn't really have a lot of money until my grandfather, actually, was in a work accident, that like resulted in a settlement of them getting money. So that like, kind of changed the trajectory of my family's like history. They got this lump sum of money, they were then able to become homeowners, which like-- they moved into, like, what they thought was like, a really good area. They were the first-- like, I think the second Black people in that neighborhood in Jersey City, New Jersey, to move in, which then ended up prompting white flight. So by the time I even knew that area, it was the hood, the hood, but anyway, yeah, they just tried to like be as upwardly mobile as possible, right?  And that launched my-- by the time my mom came around, that launched my grandma into like, the world of like NAACP cotillions, and like, that type of stuff, right? So, yeah, it gave me the understanding that like, okay, Black people can come into money, but like, it's not generational wealth. And like, those are very different things. And so I think, because of that, my family's values were like, education is the way that you get to stability, the way that you, like, become a good example of your race, like that was very much, kind of like the background of that. And so my-- all of my, like, my mom's generation, my mom, my aunts, my uncle, were all college-educated, which was like, not common back then, right? Like my one aunt went to Rutgers, who's still alive. My other aunt who passed away went to Columbia to be a pharmacist, and like they had spouses who were Black, and also went to college. So like, that was a very big deal. And then my mom came along, she's the youngest. She not only went to college, but like she has her terminal degree, she's a lawyer. So that, like, education was very, very, very important. And even my grandmother, when she was in her 50s, no, 60s, actually, she went back to school to get her college degree around the same time that my mom graduated from law school, right. So education was like, huge.  And then not just the education piece, it wasn't necessarily just enough to like, have your degree, but you also had to, like, give back and be involved in public politics. And so it was the understanding that, like, you do have a political life. And so that, you know, translated into, like, you know, my grandparents and my mom being very involved in like local politics, like, who is the mayor of Jersey City, like my family was very involved in like local groups, and like, Are there any Black people working in this office and, and those types of things. And so even going back to like, my Grandma's-- going through her papers and stuff, she would have like, cut out stuff, like, you know, so and so was the first Black, whoever in-- to work in this hospital, or whatever, like they very much kept track of that. So I think those values trickle down into like, you get your education, you have a responsibility to have a political life and to think about your race and think about what Black people need and to contribute to getting them that, right.  On my dad's side, I think that tradition was more militant. But interestingly enough, like, was also more chauvinistic, right? *laughs* As that tends to go, so like my father grew up like under colonial reign, as a little half-Black, half-Indigenous boy living in the mountains of Martinique. He was very smart. He like passed a test when he was like, 12, like a standardized test, and they were like, you're so smart. You did so great. We're gonna ship you off to boarding school in Switzerland and like-- there was no like, oh, no-- like, you didn't say no to that. So he found himself at a very young age just like being taken from his home and taken to Europe to like, quote, unquote, have better opportunities. That really like projected-- like, sent him down a path of like, both intellectualism, and like, being fiercely anti-colonialism and like really understanding that like these white people had rule over his life. And he became a student of Aimé Césaire, like a literal student, took classes with him, like, my dad was old as hell, and *laughs* and was like a student of Aimé Césaire. Like, was-- studied Frantz Fanon and like, was very much like, Martinique should be free. And white people are the devil. And was like very suspicious of whiteness, very anti-colonial, and that developed further in Europe. And then he traveled throughout Africa. And yeah, was very much like a Pan-Africanist. And still did not have like, any type of gender analysis or like feminist analysis. And so it's interesting, because I came-- like, my mom's side, like I explained was like, kind of matriarchal, right? Like, my-- I mean, they were traditional, but like, there was no, women shouldn't be in the movement, there was no-- there was really none of that. It was like, you know, you're a girl, you're a boy, doesn't matter, you go to school, you organize, you are involved. Whereas I didn't really get that vibe from my dad. So it was a very interesting marriage of two people. And two value sets. I think that they really like, agreed on like being pro-Black, as pro-Black as possible. And like supplementing our education that we got at school with, like, the truth, and like, really making sure that we understood, like the legacy of slavery, really understood Black history, and like, that was very much something that took precedent in our household. Like, I remember-- and it's funny, 'cause that didn't keep them from sending me to, like, white schools, right? Like, they were very much like, okay, no, you're gonna go to private school with all these white kids, then you're gonna come home, and we're gonna teach you like, what they probably aren't teaching you. And like, you know, we had discussions all the time about how like, I'm not the same as my classmates, I cannot do the same things, like, you have to be better. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right, that was very much the household I grew up in. And, yeah, they were very hyper aware about race, very under-aware about gender, about sexuality, about those things. And so I had that kind of like headstart about, like, knowing what oppression was. And having that to be really understood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=463.0,1083.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI'm curious, like, what was that context for your parents being so pro-Black during that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1083.0,1090.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1090.0,1090.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nLike were their peers also, as pro-Black? What was the political environment around them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1090.0,1097.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYeah, it's interesting, I think, um, growing up with my mom, especially like her being a lawyer, a lot of her-- I think a lot of her friends would call themselves pro-Black. They were certainly all liberals. They are all liberals. And like, they're very neoliberal, what I would consider to be moderate, like reformists in their politics, but I think they would tell you that they are like in a legacy of like freedom fighters and like, of the Civil Rights Movement and that type of thing. So they have a relationship to those folks. And I think that they would also say that, like the fact that they have education, that they survived going to school with these white folks, the fact that they have survived, like corporate America, and all of these things, like is a testament to like, their politics as well. And so I think most of their pu-- like, resistance, is forming communities within these like-- was forming community within these like really white systems and realms, right, like-- and this was also like-- some white folks are even like included in this too, right? So like my mom's best friend, my godmother is Italian, she's white. She grew up in the same neighborhood as my mom so they were not really rich. They were pretty poor. And so I also think class is like a-- was a pretty big factor too, like, they were all about surpassing where their parents-- their parents' class status, right and giving their parents more and their children more than what they had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1097.0,1199.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm. And so it sounds to me that like, one, you're deeply reflective about your upbringing and like-- and how it has like, shaped some of your political consciousness, but also very critical of your parents, and that shaping of that political consciousness. And so I am curious about like your own development. And like, when did you begin to build like your own political consciousness for yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1199.0,1233.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nI think very, very young, which is why I think I have to talk so much about my lineage, because I think, before I was even born, that was a foundation that I was coming into. And so, yeah, I also think when you grow up, and you go to school, or you liv, in like, these very white spaces, you become very hyper-aware of your race, you become very hyper-aware of how you're different. And so, you know, for example, I think my political consciousness would develop when I learned that like, yes, my parents are sending me to the best schools, yes, I have these great opportunities. But I also have to, like, do all these other outside enrichment things to be able *laughs* to, like, A, know my history and B, connect with other Black people, right? Like my parents made a very conscious decision to like, send me to white schools, but then like, were like, Okay, we have to make up for this on the weekends and after school. So I was like, in Jack and Jill, which is like-- I don't know if y'all know what Jack and Jill is-- --it's a lot. Yeah. So I was in Jack and Jill, I went every Saturday to Harlem School of the Arts for dance classes, to be around Black kids and to like, hone my like, artistic craft, and like, you know, all of that. All my extracurriculars were with Black kids. So like my parents made that decision on purpose, which is interesting. And so I think, yeah, I learned at an early age that racial oppression was real, first of all, that I had a history that white kids were not exposed to, and that the rest of the world wasn't necessarily learning and wasn't exposed to, and that I had to learn from these other groups that were purposefully teaching their kids that. And so I think that started to like, turn wheels in my head. And race was not the only factor either, I think, like realizing like, oh, not only am I like Black, but I'm also fat. And like, that is also like a part of Blackness that like, white people look at differently, especially like thin, wealthy, white people. And so that was like a development of my politic at a very early age. I don't think it was necessarily until like, high school and really college that I developed, like my own political consciousness and was able to, like come into things like feminism, and like, the Black radical tradition and like, expand upon like that foundation. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1233.0,1299.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm. And so you also mentioned that-- so you grew up in New Jersey, until age 14, and then you moved to DC. With your mom, your mom moved you all to DC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1299.0,1405.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee \n\nYeah. So it was just me and her that moved to DC actually. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1405.0,1409.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd so what was that time like, moving from the North? I mean, DC is like, I don't know, I call it like, Central. *laughs*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1409.0,1415.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1415.0,1417.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nNortheast. So what was that move like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1417.0,1421.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nI think it was a huge culture shock in terms of class. I always understood growing up that like, I had more-- like my nuclear family had more money than my extended family. Like, that we were privileged because my mom was a lawyer, like, I had that knowledge. Like, that was never a question like, you know how sometimes you'll hear people say, oh, like, I didn't know, we were poor, I didn't know we were rich. Like no, I had a very, like acute understanding of like, we had more and like, this is not like, really what most other Black people have. But then-- and like, I went to like private school in Jersey and like, yes, those people were rich. But then when I went to private school in DC, those people were a different level of rich and also powerful that like I had never experienced before. And so that was a huge culture shock for me. Realizing that like, there's this whole system that is created to perpetuate itself, and I am on the outside of that system, like heavily on the outside of that system. The money that my mom makes is nowhere near the money that these people's parents make, is nowhere near the money that like they had and the power and the influence that they had. Like, I was literally going to school with people's-- you know, cabinet members' kids and like, went to the same school that like Chelsea Clinton went to, and like all-- you know, it was a lot, right. And so I think that was a huge shock.  And like, at that same time was when I started to develop a political consciousness of like, oh, this is wrong. Like, the way *laughs* these people hoard power is wrong, the way that they think is wrong. And so I think that was a time of radicalization that was also very isolating. Because as a minor, I was not able to, like, do anything about my situation, I had to go to school where my mom wanted me to go to school, I had to do what my mom wanted me to do. But I was also set in my sights like-- I was like, I can't function in this world, like it very much-- the experience beat me down. Pretty bad. Yeah, and I think also around that same time-- yeah, I was just like-- I think teenagehood-- being-- experiencing Black teenage girlhood was terrible. *laughs* Like, for like, no fault of my own, but like, it was just a terrible situation. Like, I felt like a target at school, I felt like my body was constantly policed, especially at school, like, I would wear the same thing that another girl would wear, because I had boobs and a belly and stuff like I would be put in detention. I would be-- I would ask questions, being on Student Council and like trying to get things changed and, like be more equitable, and was met with like hostility from the staff. And like, it was my, I think first time really being positioned against like a system. And so-- and then at the same time, was also dealing with the fact that like, I did-- my dad moved away. Like, my parents were no longer together. It was just my mom and I now and my grandma had also passed away when I was in ninth grade. And so there's like, kind of just like all this turmoil that built up.  And then I also at that time, like experienced, like a really-- like a couple of really abusive rela-- like, romantic relationships and sexual relationships with Black men, and Black-- like other Black boys, and was also starting to develop like a feminist consciousness and a politic of like, oh, like, boys can do whatever they want. And also Black boys who are like doing-- who are like college bound, are like, so precious in the Black community that like, if you say anything, like-- you are bad for ending their future, you are bad for intervening. Because the success of like, the Black man is-- like trumps anything, even if you're being sexually abused, or physically abused by them, right. And so I also-- and I also like, saw that happen in my own household too, right? Like growing up, my dad would get very violent with my mom. And, you know, she would do everything to like, cover it up and make sure that there was no police intervention and stuff, because it was the understanding that it was not safe. And also people would look at us crazy, because we're Black. And we lived in a neighborhood where people shouldn't know that that's going on in our house, and that type of thing. So I think I started to gain that awareness of like, silence, right, like you have to, like, endure gender-based violence in order to be pro-Black. And I think that is a message that was like, ingrained into me during like those teenage years especially. Yeah, and it wasn't until like later on in college that I was able to actually interrogate that, until I got away from it. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1421.0,1736.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nSo later on in college, you go to college, you leave DC, or do you leave DC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1736.0,1742.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYes! So I leave DC in the mo-- in like, I think the first intentional, like, decision of my life, right. And I think that a lot of people are-- where they choose to go to college is the first like, adult decision or the first piece of autonomy a lot of folks actually end up having. And so HBCUs were not on my school's radar. We maybe had one kid go to Howard, here and there, from my high school, if maybe their parent taught there or something, like that was not like a next step for most people in my school. So I just remember the first time I came to Spelman. I was actually on a trip in Atlanta, to visit Emory. And I had a friend who-- from Jack and Jill, who actually was at Spelman. She was a freshman there, and I had done a summer program, and I met this boy who was at Morehouse and so I was like, Okay, I'm in Atlanta, I'll go to campus so that I can see this boy and then hang out with my friend. And my mom was just like, \"Why don't you just take a tour, you know, like, we're here, just take a tour.\" And I walked onto that campus, quite literally took that tour, and left and was just like, I'm gonna apply early decision to Spelman. Like I have to actually be here. There's no two ways about it. Called my college counselor, cancelled all my other applications. And it was like very much that serious. And I think what opened my eyes for the first time there, was just like, oh, shit, like there is rigor, there is excellence, there is intellectual curiosity in a place that is just for Black women and girls. And that shook me 'cause I had not experienced that before. My parents had tried to introduce that to me in pockets, but I didn't know that an institution, like a long-standing institution, really existed that had that feeling. And I felt like I could be maybe held there and that I could do what I wanted to do without all the extra bullshit. So-- and it was also far enough away for me to want to be there because I was-- I wanted to be as far away as I could. *laughs* Especially from like, yeah, just from-- I was going through it during that time.  So I applied to Spelman. I got there. I got in like, early decision. And yeah, it started me-- I actually initially entered as an anthropology major, because I, at the time was very obsessed with Zora Neale Hurston, had read Their Eyes Were Watching God, went down a huge research rabbithole of like, who she was and what her cultural anthropology was like, and I thought, wow, like, I need to study Black people, but not in the way that like white people study Black people, but in the way that Zora Neale Hurston studied Black people, because she was one and she was immersed in their life. And so I was like, this is what I want. This is what I need. This is what I'm craving. So I came in deciding I was gonna be Zora Neale Hurston. I ended up in my first year, *laughing* like taking an anthropology class. And I was like, okay, yeah, this is cool. But then I took a Women's Studies class, and I was like, Wait. A. Minute. This! is fucking amazing, mostly because it's so interdisciplinary. And I could explore all of my intellectual curiosities to my little heart's content, I could dip my toe in all of these disciplines. And still it would be all about affirming my lived experiences and like finding a path to liberation. And that piece, the like, my work has to be liberatory, has never, like not been the case. Like I never was, like, I'm gonna be a-- I'm gonna work at a bank, like that-- I just-- that never was my consideration. Whatever I decided to do was gonna be like, liberatory in some end. I don't think I called it liberatory, but I knew that that's like what had to be. So I quickly, I think, by sophomore year, was a Women's Studies major. And that really launched me into really deep intellectual thought.  I think at Spelman, number one, I realized, okay, despite all of the racism and fatphobia that I experienced at my all girls school in Washington, DC, I did leave with a very good education. Like I knew how to write, I knew basic history, I realized then, that like, my peers at Spelman, like, did not have that. And I thought that that was also deeply unfair to them, and to me. 'Cause I was also just like, no, like, we need to be pushing past some of this, so we could really get into it. Yeah, it was just-- it was a culture shock, in some ways, realizing like, oh, like niggas really be coming to college, like severely, like underdeveloped for-- and are like expected to perform at the same-- in the same way that I'm expected to perform. Like, I don't know, this girl asked me what a bibliography was one time and I was like, okay, all right. Yeah. So I think in my first year at Spelman, I felt a little bit bored in a lot of my classes, but I realized they were level-setting. Like we had to take all of these *laughs* classes, like English composition, and like all these liberal artsy classes that I thought were like, duh, why don't you know this? Because they were level-setting. And so I look back now and I'm grateful that I was able to be in that space where they actually attempted to do that.  So I think at Spelman, once I became a Women's Studies major, I was introduced, not just to Black feminism actually, like but first I was introduced to like feminist thought, like mainstream feminist thought. So I started interacting with works of like Judith Lorber, Judith Butler, Marilyn Frye, right? Like, and this is-- I'm thinking specifically of Dr. Guy-Sheftall's theorizing femin-- feminist theory class, which really got us like into, like, deep into feminist theory. We read Anna Julia Cooper, we read Sojourner Truth's Ain't I A Woman speech, like, we got into the historical feminisms. And that-- yeah, for the first time, I think I was really starting to put together in a meaningful way, what like, my race and my gender, and those two like experiences like did, to make me me and to like, shape my worldview. And I think if nothing else, Spelman gave me a place to really understand my Black womanhood. And then later on, I think, my Black queer womanhood as well, in a container that just didn't have anything else but Black womanhood in it. So it was easy to grapple with, like a lot of those ideas, and it was easy to see myself in other people and for other people to see themselves in me. It just felt like a place to like actually be intellectually curious without the noise of like white supremacy in the classroom sometimes. It was there, but not in the form of a person speaking necessarily, right. So yeah, and I think later on in Spelman too, like, I had that foundation of like, those feminist texts, and then like, built on it. A lot of the electives that I took-- like, I took a class on sex and domination, where I was able to, like, understand my experiences with sexual assault and rape and understand, like, what that meant, in terms of like, misogyny, and a larger system of sex and gender violence. And so that was really like, I wouldn't say healing, but it made me angry in a good way. It made me pissed off in a way that I felt like, okay, I have to like-- there's a reason that I have to contextualize my personal experiences and make sure that I am doing something about it. So that was like my academic life at Spelman, I think-- which was great, very enriching. At times, I definitely fell through a lot of cracks academically at Spelman, that I think, could have been better. And that's also just a testament to like the underresourced nature of going to an HBCU, too.  But I also think like my organizing and my activist life really developed at Spelman, starting with like sexual assault on campus, right, so like-- this is-- like, I come to campus like, escaping my abuser, escaping my experiences in high school with sexual assault. And then I get there and like, within the first semester, like three of my friends are sexually assaulted. I'm like, What the fuck? Like, this is not supposed to be happening here. And so I would like, yeah, just be really loud about it, right? Like, would tweet about it, would tell everyone like about how messed up it was. And quickly became the enemy of the dean's office there. *laughs* Morehouse students would like read my tweets, and be like, you can't accuse me of rape, like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, even though I didn't name them by name. So like, if you're a rapist, then you're a rapist, but anyway, yeah. So I would be called into Dean Ferguson's office. I'm gonna name her, 'cause she sucks. Yeah, she-- *laughs* But that was a really formative experience of understanding that like, even like-- like this place is not a mecca. Like it's not perfect. Black women are also complicit in violence. And these Black institutions are more about moving people through them in order to have these poster children rather than keeping people safe. They don't really care about safety. They don't really care about oppression in the way that I thought. And so that was a really big moment for me, 'cause I was like, how do you have statues of Martin Luther King? How is this a place where SNCC (Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee) was founded? How does this place have this, like activist history that I've been learning about for half of my life, and you're just letting people get raped, and you are victim-blaming. And like, there was a girl who had been like, gang raped by a fraternity-- like a group of fraternity members, and like, the fraternity brothers like swooped in at Morehouse to like, cover it up and call her a slut and say what she was wearing and all of these things, right. So I think that was also a wake up moment of like, oh, yeah, just 'cause it's Black here doesn't mean that white supremacy is not running rampant.  And so yeah, I would get in trouble a lot and I think most people who organize on campus, it starts with getting in trouble a lot. And I started to connect with the folks who were also getting in trouble a lot. *laughs* And we kind of, yeah, were in a network. And I also-- I think that was a time where I noticed, like, folks-- like, I realized the way institutions swallow up movements and become counterrevolutionary. And will invite you to task force and invite you to conversations and invite you in with th-- under the guise of like, we're gonna fix this issue, we're gonna do something about it, but really it's a way to shut you up. And that happened to me kind of over and over again. Until I was just like, yeah, I'm not messing with y'all. Like, I'm not gonns be on your task force to-- I'm not going to, you know, speak at your your talks anymore. Like, you're not trying to change anything. And so I think that also pushed me onto like the fringes of Spelman, right? Like, I think my first year I was very much like, I love going to school here. Imma be in all of your clubs and do all of your things. And I think by the time I was a sophomore, or junior, I was very much on the fringe, which ended up being, I think, the best place for me to be. And that put me in relationship with queer activists and organizers who were at Morehouse and Spelman and Clark Atlanta. This is also my sophomore year, at the beginning, like that summer, was when Mike Brown had been killed. So I was back in DC that summer for an internship and-- with the Feminist Majority Foundation, and organized my first action in DC before going back to school. Then when we got back to school, it was like, the students were just-- we were ready, we were ready to do something about police violence, like we were ready to come to-- get into the streets. And so I think that is when my life as an organizer really started. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=1742.0,2526.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmmm. And so, you come back from doing this internship. And you're already on the fringes *laughs*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=2526.0,2539.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=2539.0,2540.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nIt sounds like you're also already developing community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=2540.0,2543.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=2543.0,2544.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nAnd so, what is that time like, like, this is at a time where Black Lives Matter is popping off. And now you're here on a college campus where you know, people-- it's a hotbed for student activism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=2544.0,2560.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=2560.0,2561.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd so I'm curious, yeah. What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=2561.0,2564.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nWell, okay, first, that internship at Feminist Majority Foundation added fuel to the fire. I like, enjoyed it, but also was like, you're not paying me, this is Washington DC, you're giving me like-- I think they gave us $10 an hour for up to $100 a week was the max, for admin work, that was supplemental to the work we were doing in the internship, right. So I was also like, Okay, I'm being exploited. But like, I also-- because I go to Spelman, know that I have to have these types of things on my resume in order to like, get anywhere. So that was an eye opener. I was like-- also realized, like, these white women are racist as hell. So like, I'm coming out of that experience, then Mike Brown gets shot. And like, all of this is happening. And it was kind of a culminatio-- like, I think for a lot of people, Mike Brown was like, oh my god, this is the moment of radicalization. I didn't feel that. I actually felt that moment when Troy Davis was murdered by the state on death row in Georgia, and I remember that was happening as I was like, really wanting to go to Spelman. And I was like getting ready to go to Spelman. And was watching that like on the internet, like, Oh, shit, first of all, like living in the South is gonna be very different. And like also, yeah, just-- so like that kind of plummeted me into like, positioning myself against the state really. Then Mike Brown happened and I was already had, like the awareness that police violence was a thing. I'd also experienced police violence, like in my own life, and in my own community. Like, I have a cousin who was like in the ICU for weeks, because he was just beaten by like the Philadelphia Police Department, right? I have-- one of my mom's closest sister-friends, her son was killed when I was like 10. And I remember vividly going down to Florida for his funeral and white, like KKK members and police like surrounding the church, and like giving us wrong directions on how to get there and stuff like that. This was in St. Augustine, Florida, right?  So it wasn't like Mike Brown was new. But it was a moment where I felt like I had the autonomy, finally, to be able to like join a group to be able to do something, right. And so, actually, Feminista Jones, who I followed on Twitter for a while as a baby feminist, was like, we're gonna do this vigil for Mike Brown. It's gonns be called the National Moment of Silence, and I need organizers in like, all of these major cities to come down and like, plan your action in your city, right. And like, they had a map and all that. So I-- so, myself and like three other Black queer women stepped up to the plate for DC 'cause we were in DC. And it was actually-- gosh, okay. So Jessica, I'm gonna blank on her last name, but she worked at the time for Emily's List, and now she's like an organizer and a political consultant, and like very much in the like movement spaces, but like, I was the baby of the group. And they were all kind of like, already organizers and like very much took me under their wing. And like, we planned this huge action in DC. And like, 5000 people came, all this press came, we marched. And it was my first time like, really like, feeling that like people power, which was amazing. And also at the same time, it was co-opted by this Black man, who like didn't plan any of the march. It was like me, and these three queer Black women in DC who planned everything, who did all the media stuff, like, they reached out to the other, like queer Black woman for support. And like, then when we get there, I'm on-- like the mic is like, almost immediately taken by this Black dude, who, yeah, just co-opted the whole thing. And I was just like, Oh, movement spaces also move real fucked up too. And so I was *laughing* also like, okay, like, where is safe for me to do anything, right. And so I think that was also a thing. But it was also really helpful to have like more seasoned organizers who were able to like, in our debrief, say, like, yeah, like, I'm tired of like, Black men, co-opting this movement and ignoring our work, and not adding anything and never showing up for us when we're the ones who are in trouble.  So that was a learning experience with that first march. Then I get back to school and everything is like still so heated, still so angry. There's groups like kind of springing up. That's when I-- I remember a deliberate conversation with Avery Jackson, who was an organizer on campus at Morehouse, about like how-- like they were forming a group of Black Atlanta students, not just from the AUC, but from all different schools around and they were combating police violence. And so I attended a lot of their meetings. I was also taking a class at Morehouse at the time, called Black Lives Matter, which was like, really, like, major at the time, 'cause it had just-- like, all this had just happened. So to have a class on campus, where we were talking about, like, the history of like Black lives not mattering was pretty foundational. And so I just started to connect with these other people who were like kind of outcasts in this institution. And who felt the same way that I did. So that was Avry. That was Da'Shaun, Harrison. That was Eva Dickerson. Eva-- I distinctly remember meeting her in one of the meetings where Dr. Mary Schmidt Campbell, who was the new president of Spelman, came in and was like, \"Okay, we hear that there's a problem with sexual assault,\" like, you know, \"We're gonna have like a listening session, and y'all can just tell us everything, right.\" And, of course, nothing came out of it. But I remember seeing Eva there and realizing like, okay, yeah, this girl is about this action and like, we're gonna be friends. And we are. So yeah, just a lot of really foundational relationships were built at Spelman. And also, I think, at the same time, a lot of the work that I was reading, like being introduced to Audre Lorde, being introduced to Toni Cade Bambara, to Toni Morrison, was really foundational for me as well. Particularly the seminar, that class I took with Dr. Opal Moore on Audre Lorde like changed my life. And I think for the first time reading Uses of the Erotic and Poetry is Not a Luxury, I realized that there was a Black, feminist, queer perspective, and a tradition that I knew I had to be a part of. That was not this like, reformist tradition, that was not the, like, wearing white dresses on Founder's Day and ignoring rape allegations tradition that Spelman was pushing, but like this, like truly counterrevolutionary tradition that I knew I wanted to be a part of. And yeah, that's what marked my time at Spelman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=2564.0,3032.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm. And so you're also developing this queer identity. 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And building that politic?\n\nYemisi Combahee","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=3040.0,3057.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, it's interesting, because I wouldn't say that I was like a great student at Spelman, just 'cause, I mean, I was really engaged in class and all of that. My undiagnosed ADHD probably kept me from being the best that I could be. But I think what was really transformative at that time was realizing-- you know, when you're young, you think you're the only one, a lotta times, you think that your experiences are isolated. And I think reading for me, in general was so comforting, because it made me feel less alone. And I think, you know, that's like the first step to like radicalizing someone, right, and to contextualizing your experiences, is realizing that you are not alone. And it sounds simple, but it's actually very difficult to really understand that somebody's experiences-- that your experiences are not unique, not in an invalidating way, but in a way that lets you know, that what's happened to you is not your fault. It is the fault of this system, that is meant to do exactly-- to do you in, to do exactly what it's supposed to do. So I think that was really important for me, was to read to feel less alone. And that's also around the same time where like, I think I started like reading for pleasure as well, right? Like when I finally got to a point in college, where I was like reading things for school that were actually engaging, that applied to my life? Like in high school, I was reading a whole bunch of Jane Austen and fucking Charlotte Bronte, and I thought that I would kill myself if I had to read another coming-of-age story about some white girl, you know what I mean? So like, by the time I got to Spelman, and got through some of the foundational classes and texts, and was like reading Audre Lorde, like Toni Morrison, getting into, like, some real deep scholarship around, you know, Black womanhood, was actually interesting to me. And that, like, launched my love of reading again, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=3057.0,3188.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm. And you launched that love of reading into going to then work at a bookstore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112#t=3188.0,3194.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276112/transcript/94391/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYeah! So interestingly enough-- so I think I found Charis in like, the weirdest way. I-- so I think as I was coming into my queerness on campus, like, I-- I think I identified as like, kind of bisexual, like, you know, explore-- like exploration and like, that type of thing. But I think I really came into queerness like, and then came into Charis right after, and that was really great to have that place as like a soft landing place to be queer. And up until then, the only like, community or-- that I really had in Atlanta, was Spelman. And I was really rapidly outgrowing that space. And I think Charis came right on time. So I was kind of at a point where I really needed money. My mom was not in a position to financially help me anymore. Yeah, like my family had fallen on pretty hard times financially. So I was like, Okay, I need a job. I worked in a restaurant, that really sucked. I was like, this is not fulfilling, I can't do this. And then, I was on a date with someone who took me to Charis for the first time, sometime in college, probably my sophomore year, then I kept coming back. And I just always was like, ugh, I would love to work here. So I filled out the application one day and literally, like, at the exact time that I was like, I need a summer job, Sara emailed me like, Hey, can you come in to interview? And that was that! I started working there. I was also just really, really, really depressed at that time. And when I tell you, some days like, Charis was like, truly the only reason that I left the house, got out of bed and it was actually really hard for me to like, be in a bad mood there. And that was really, really helpful. I learned so much about what it's like to create intentional community. I learned so much about, like, lesbian history, and the fact that like, there were people who had been coming to Charis for like 30 and 40 years, and were like, still faithful customers, and were just like, deeply, deeply entrenched in this community, and that I was coming in as a part of this longer legacy. It was similar to coming in at Spelman too, right like, just like attaching yourself to something that has been around and is meant for you and someone like you, was really comforting. And working around books was just wonderful. Like, just picking up books, having access to them, having-- not having money and like bartered money to buy-- to build my own library, outside of school books. Like that was the first time that I was really able to do that. Yeah, and meeting people like you, Dartricia, at Charis, and Brittany, and Alithia, and like just really forming a community outside of Spelman and like my first real, intentional community, I think, was really transformative and really ushered me into adulthood in a certain way, where I realized like, you can't do life without this type of space. You shouldn't do life without this type of space. And so yeah, I think I just decided at Charis-- that Charis was a place that I always wanted to be a part of. I also recognize that there was a lot wrong with it too, and that like, I wasn't getting paid what I should've been paid. I was not like, necessarily-- it wasn't as organized as it should have been. But, you know, I think I recognized for the first time that there are places really worth struggling within and for, and I feel that way about Spelman too. I mean, I think Spelman is-- I don't have-- like I have a tender place in my heart for Spelman, but I don't romanticize it, I think the way a lot of other people do, because I feel like I operated so much on the fringes of that institution. And like I said, slipped through so many of those cracks, but I can't deny that like I would struggle, like I would struggle for that place to-- you know, and for Black women to have a place like that, always. 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Okay. So I think it's important to note that I-- so I think I've already mentioned like all of the ways I had experienced a lack of reproductive justice. Maybe I haven't gone into that enough. But like, I think that foundation is really important, right? So I remember being a teenager in DC like, just like getting on buses and trains, trying to find a place where I could get like STI testing. Desperately needing to like find birth control without my mom knowing. Looking for like health resources, and it being like, really, really difficult, really, really expensive. I would have to like, lie about what I was using money for. I didn't wanna use my insurance 'cause then my mom would find out. So like all of these different like things trying to navigate my own health, especially my sexual health. And then, fast forward, I'm working at Charis. I have all of this like kind of background and foundation of, you know, Black feminisms, like I'm very deeply entrenched in Black feminisms. I also, at Spelman, for the first time, heard of Feminist Women's Health Center. I remember them tabling, at like a resource fair at Spelman, and I immediately like signed up to be a volunteer. I went to their volunteer training and was already kind of in a relationship with that organization. Then I was at Charis, which was like another entry point. And yeah.  It was after Spelman, I was going through the crisis that you go through when you're a young adult and tryna figure out how you're gonna support yourself, how you're going to enter your career. I was fresh off of a really, really bad mental health crisis. And I was just like, Alright, I am going to get a job and like try to move on with my life. And I started applying to jobs and I got a call back from an abortion clinic, Summit Medical Center in Atlanta, which was actually really close to my apartment that I was living in in Buckhead and that I could no longer afford. So I ended up quickly moving out. But I got a job there. I knew I still wanted to work at Charis but Charis was not paying me any type of money that I could live off of. So I got this other job at Summit, that was-- at first I was, you know, doing-- not admin work, but I was a receptionist at the abortion clinic. So I was, yeah, the first person that folks would see when they came in, and was working at Charis part-time and doing the clinic part-time. That was a very hectic *laugh* point of my life. There was also a point during that time, where I was also moonlighting at a restaurant as a hostess. So I was holding down three jobs, which was really difficult. But I think what was so dope about working at the clinic at first was, like the onboarding process, right? Like-- and even just in the interview process, they asked me like, how do you feel about people who've had like three and four abortions, multiple abortions, and I thought was a really cool question to ask. And I was like, yeah, I'm fine with it. Like, whatever, do you. I think a lot of the myths that I had about abortion I had already kind of dispelled. And yeah, I was very-- yeah, I was pro-abortion. I understood how like-- I thought I understood how important it was. But it really-- I just learned so much in that job. I learned so much about compassion. I learned so much about what it actually looks like to provide somebody care. I learned all the different reasons why people seek abortion care, and all the different circumstances that people could be under. I think, yeah, it was just a really beautiful place to work.  And that like-- I will always, I think, be beholden to the folks at Summit, that really like brought me in to the reproductive justice movement. That was at the moment where I-- I met Suki for the first time, I met Adriane Alexander, who was still the clinic head. And there-- it was just a group of brown and Black women and queer folk who were doing the damn thing like a well-oiled machine, who were really into their jobs, who understood-- even though they weren't getting paid what they should be getting paid, they understood how important their jobs were, and like, just were-- was no bullshit about it. And so, yeah, they like really made sure we understood like a lot of the myths about abortion. We had to watch the movie Janes before-- like, as part of our onboarding, like, we read articles about abortion, for onboarding. And so I was brought into that fold. I think what was actually ended up being challenging about working at an abortion clinic was not the harder cases of like rape and incest, or minors, or like-- I think people expect that to be like-- be really difficult. I was expecting that, right. And so-- and it was very difficult to have those cases. But what I learned was that sometimes it can be difficult, more difficult, to help somebody through who's like, actually not wanting their abortion, or who actually like, is like, yeah, I never thought I would be doing this, or actually, I'm not pro-abortion, or actually, I wanted this baby, but I have to be here because of a medical reason or whatever. Like, I realized, oh, those people deserve abortion care too, and deserve compassionate care as well. And like, people find themselves in the situation for so many different reasons. And so I think that was a learning point for me, was realizing like, not everybody is all rah, rah, we love abortion, and sometimes you gotta tone that shit down, in order to give people the care that they need.  And so yeah, I always-- and I still say this. And I really mean it, when I say that that clinic was the most diverse place I've ever worked, in that like, the patients that we served were of every class background. Some people were literally scrounging with literal pennies and dimes to meet their price so that they could get their abortion and others were like paying 400 extra dollars, because they were celebrities, and they didn't wanna be seen in the clinic waiting room with everybody else, right? Like class, all different classes. There were Muslim women, Jewish women, like it was just so diverse. And it made me realize like how much like of a human rights framework reproductive justice is, because I've just never seen so many different types of humans there for the same reason. And so I think that was really, really important for me to witness. And working in a clinic, not only brought me into like a clinic and like care working space, but it also like brought me into reproductive justice, the movement. And I will honestly say Suki was probably the person that brought me in, and like kind of held my hand through it. Like Suki was just always like-- any opportunity that there was, an-- Imma pause.  Okay, so, yes, I worked at the clinic, but like how I really got into reproductive justice, like-- because you can work in an abortion clinic and give good care and not necessarily be in reproductive justice. And there are plenty of people who worked there that were like that. But I distinctly remember Suki-- talking with her and realizing that she was not just an ultrasound tech, but like she was deeply connected and entrenched in reproductive justice as a movement and understood her work to be a piece of a broader movement. And that was really attractive to me. And so we would talk a lot about that. And anytime there was an opportunity, she would always like ask me, and recommend me for it. And I also ended up working with a Spelman sister there, Shea, at the clinic. And so that was really great to have like a familiar face there. And yeah, like, that really launched me into applying for the Errin Vuley fellowship at Feminist's. Suki and Shea both encouraged me to apply. And there's also-- I remember, like Suki introducing me to Amplify Georgia. And like, I didn't even know what that was then, and ended up working there later on. And so-- what else? I also found out for the first time what ARC was, ARC Reproductive Care SE and like, would interact with the people who worked there, who are practical support volunteers. So like Dartricia, I knew that you were connected to ARC, but it was the first time that like, we would see each other at the clinic, and I would call you, and be like, hey, I have this person, her baby daddy done left her here at the clinic, she has no one to sign her in, she has no ride, blah, blah, blah, like it's 5am, hey, can you come down to the clinic? And you would show up! And I was like, this is amazing. This is an amazing network of people, and also realizing like, all of the other organizations like National Network of Abortion Funds and like all the people that I came in contact with that were helping the folks that I was in clinic with get their abortion, right. So like. Yeah, like I would be the person to receive the faxes of like pledges for, you know, certain people's care. And you know, all that. So it opened the door for me to all of these other reproductive justice organizations. And I'll also say that it like-- working at Summit opened the door for me for like how hard it is to actually get an abortion, right like, I didn't-- I mean, I understood that, but I didn't really understand that until working in a clinic setting, like all of the barriers that people face to getting an abortion. And then also sometimes people did not get their abortions, and that pissed me off a lot, especially when people were turned down for like being fat. That was the thing that I would see a lot. There were some of the doctors there who were literally like, this is my BMI limit, like you can't-- I'm not giving you an abortion, a surgical abortion beyond this limit, right. And so as the people who like were the staff there, the doctors didn't tell them that, we were the ones who would have to tell them that. And so that was also really difficult and would piss me off. I also, while at the clinic, realized the limits of like, what a lot of people working there could do also. Like, a lotta the older Black women who worked there who had been working there for decades, were very reluctant to like ask people their pronouns over the phone for an appointment and like, use people's right, like correct pronouns and things. And like, that was a whole thing. So I also realized that there were limits to like, how revolutionary like a lot of these spaces really are. And like, there are limits to how much care people could get. 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I also grew up-- like, I had a cousin, when we were-- when I was 17 and she was 18, she became pregnant. She went to a crisis pregnancy center, and they talked her out of an abortion. And now she has three kids, and her life just looks like wildly different. And I'm just like, if someone would've been there to support her through that, or like, if she would've had different resources, her life would be so different. And so it's like, the culmination of all of these experiences left me like, there's a support role that needs-- that like I wanna be for people through their reproductive journeys. And then the older I've gotten, the more understood about, like the medical industrial complex, the more bad experiences I had with doctors, the more I was like, yeah, that's not actually what I wanna be. But then I like-- I remember hearing an interview on the radio, when I was driving in DC, with a doula, like a celebrity doula. And I was like, oh, wow, this is really cool. Like this concept of being a doula, being a support person, for pregnant people. And so it was kind of a dream of mine. And so I had, you know, talked about it, looked up trainings, didn't really have the money or the time to commit to it. And then I got the Errin Vuley fellowship. And I was like, this is perfect. They were giving away like a $500 stipend to like whatever professional development you wanted. So that's-- so I got them to pay for my doula training. It was also the beginning of the pandemic. So I had kind of like, more at-home time to dedicate to that, and actually around that same time is when I got another job. I was still doing weekends at the clinic sometimes. And I was also still working weekends at Charis, but I got a full-time job as a domestic violence advocate at Fulton County through Partnership Against Domestic Violence. And so yeah, I did my doula training to become a full-spectrum doula, which covers abortion, postpartum, birth, and even fertility counseling. And so I went through that and that was really-- it was great. It was great to have like tho-- that foundation and to like be exposed to a community of doulas who are really doing this work and to just like get started. And so much of the work that I was doing at Summit was doula work right. Like that support work, moving people through their abortion, being a care worker, like that was abortion doula work. And so I felt like uniquely positioned to really carry that out, despite like not like-- with or without the formal training. And then I was also falling in love with like direct service work in general and being a care provider and I think working as a DV like, victims advocate was incredibly traumatizing, incredibly difficult, especially to do at home. But I will say it wasn't-- it was really great to be able to care for people and to do that direct service work and really feel like you are making a difference in like, people's individual lives. I think I feel most alive when doing that type of work. And I think that's why being a doula calls to me so much, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=729.0,967.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=967.0,967.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nCan I ask you to story-tell a little bit about your doula experiences?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=967.0,973.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nSure. So like I said, I had been doing abortion doula work at the clinic mostly. And then once I was trained, I was like, for the first time kind of advertising myself as a trained doula. And this was also around the same time that we had picked up and moved to Knoxville. And so I attended a birth in Knoxville, and my first birth that I attended was a home birth-- which, I'm so deeply grateful that I got to see that as a example of what birth can look like. It was also for a white family. It was a home birth with a midwife, a water birth, it was peaceful, it was respectful. It was all the things that I hope for someone to experience giving birth, truly. And so I had that experience. I was also virtually helping a client through-- a Black client through their fertility journey. And was for the first time doing fertility doula coaching. So like, they were going through their IVF process, and I was helping them through that. And they ended up getting pregnant through that process. And yeah, they were just really grateful for my support. And I think I realized for the first time, what it's really like to hold space for somebody, and to be, yeah, a support to them, and how important that is for their outcomes and how important that is for folks to have through any type of life transition. And so those were some really crucial moments in like the development of my doula practice and my doula journey. And yeah, around that same time, I also started working at Amplify. I went-- I was only a DV advocate for about a year before having my first like, reproductive justice job, which is pretty exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=973.0,1099.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMmhmm. And so, I guess, so now you're like squarely in reproductive justice work. And in Atlanta, so like one, why Atlanta? And why the South?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1099.0,1117.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee \n\nYeah. I don't think it was ever a question. I think it was because this city, this place, shaped me. And so I felt like I had to shape it in return. And sometimes it just kind of happens that way. I don't think I-- when I came to Atlanta, I was coming to Atlanta for the city. I was coming to Atlanta for Spelman, but now I look back and I'm like there is no Spelman *laughing* without the city of Atlanta. You know what I mean? Like, there's a reason that an institution like that can exist here. There's a reason an institution like Charis exists here. There's a reason that ARC Southeast and all these other places that I came into contact with, including the clinic, right, like-- Atlanta has the largest, like concentration of clinics, like for miles and miles and counties and counties and counties away, right, like, people from all over come to get an abortion here. So I think, yeah, it shaped my experiences. And so I-- it was never a question of like, oh, am I gonna stay here or am I-- you know, what do I have to offer? It was like, no, these people poured into me and so I feel like there's something I have to offer. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1117.0,1194.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nThank you. And so, what have been the challenges as an organizer, and a doula, before and after the Dobbs vs. Jackson decision?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1194.0,1209.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYeah, I just want more people to understand that before the fall of Roe, before Dobbs, it was hard as hell to get an abortion, already. And like, if you were fat, if you're Black, if you lived in a rural community, if you had other children, if you were poor, if you were in a abusive relationship, like all of these factors that I-- some of which I have dealt with my-- you know, myself, some of which, like, I intimately know people who have dealt with those situations-- like all of those situations, make it more and more difficult for you to access the care that you need. And there was just something really deeply unsettling about people talking about the fall of Roe as if those conditions prior to didn't already exist. And also working in Georgia, I was like-- it was so silly to me, listening to the script that had to be read over the phone, when someone would make their appointment, like the state-mandated script that people would have to read, right, or that minors have to tell their parents, like all of these barriers that existed, was just ridiculous to me. And I think, yeah, it was already difficult. And so the Dobbs decision just kind of added insult to injury. And I'll also say like, I was working at the clinic during like the 2019 quote, unquote, Heartbeat Bill, like when it first started, when like, it was first introduced, when it was tied up in courts, when-- and you know, now, I don't think you could've told me that it would-- we'd be living in this moment now, where like that shit is enforced, like, anyway. But I-- yeah, I just don't think people realize how hard it already was and who it affects. And yeah, and the fact that like, even if abortion is legal, the mis- and disinformation about if it's legal, how many weeks, how many-- like all of that, keeps people from even calling the clinic in the first place. So I think that's really difficult, just because I know that I can't reach everybody to let them know what their rights are, and like, there's still somebody out there thinking that abortion is completely illegal when they're eligible for one, and they're not gonna get one. So yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1209.0,1363.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nMhmm. And now you're in a different role, you're in a different job. Still in reproductive justice work. And so I'm curious about, like, how are you orienting like yourself and your work around abortion access, and larger reproductive care and justice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1363.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nYeah. I mean, I think I'm at the point in my career where I'm realizing that any job that pays me or is like a 501c3 is like-- you know, I can make a difference, but it is not the end-all be-all of like my political life. And it is not necessarily revolutionary on its own. So I think that that has helped me like level set. Right now I work for Black Feminist Future. And I think it's awesome to be able to like, see my reproductive justice work in the context of Black feminisms, because that's like, really where I started, right like, and I think it's important for folks to recognize reproductive justice as a Black feminist framework, like a human rights framework, like underneath the tradition of Black feminisms, especially here in the South. And I feel like-- I feel more connected now to a larger overall liberation framework than I have before. And I really do credit being in the reproductive justice movement for that. Because I think you're-- I think it's hard to just like squarely fit in RJ. Because it's so expansive, right? Like, if you really look at the four tenets of RJ, that is the stuff of our lives. And you can't not have a class analysis when you are really thinking about reproductive justice. You can't not think about people in other countries when you're really thinking hard about reproductive justice, right. And so it really like kind of blew the door open into like this larger liberatory framework that I am grappling with now. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1385.0,1492.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMmhmm. That brings me to my last question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1492.0,1496.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\n*laughs*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1496.0,1498.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nWhat does reproductive liberation look like to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1498.0,1503.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nI mean, I think first and foremost, reproductive liberation looks like liberation from all forms of oppression. I really think, no matter-- yeah, no matter what, like, if somebody is not free, if someone is oppressed, that is stunting, like our reproductive freedom as a people, as-- our future as a people. And I really do think like-- I believe in self-determination on an individual, on a communal level. And so I think people being able to decide their fate is reproductive liberation. And I think how we treat each other really, really, really, really matters. How our movements make people feel matters. How we feel about ourselves is reproductive liberation, like, I want to feel like my children, my great-grandchildren, like the people that come after me, I want them to feel powerful, I want them to feel like they have self-determination, I want them to feel like they have purpose, I want them to feel freedom. And that's my problem. Like, I want more people to feel like that's their problem, is how other people feel, because of what they do, and I think that, like, deep interconnectedness is reproductive liberation. And I think that struggle is like, really, what reproductive justice has taught me, is like, there's nothing necessarily good about individuality. And there's everything to be like learned from being deeply interconnected with other people, who you might not even know and who you might not even like, but like, we really are so tied up with each other. And I want--, and I think reproductive liberation is embracing that, shaping that, and living in a way that honors that, right. Like, we move differently if we realize that everything that we do affects somebody else. And I just-- yeah, I want that-- I want more of that for us. I'll also say, I think reproductive liberation looks like truly being able to be a whole person, and not just a machine, either for capitalism, but I also don't wanna be a machine for liberation either, like I don't want to be anything less than like my whole human self wherever I go. And I think reproductive justice has been like the first framework that I've encountered that like truly, truly tries to acknowledge that. And to me, reproductive liberation looks like being vulnerable, being scared sometimes, being tired sometimes, being all the things as humans that we can be, and yet still believing that freedom is attainable and still striving toward that, right. I also think reproductive liberation is about-- there's a great deal of like letting go of like your ego, in order to serve like something that's bigger than you. And I think, in that way, it's like kind of a spiritual experience, in the same way where people like go to church in order to like feel connected to something larger than them, to let down their, like personal, you know, views, and to like let go of their personal problems and like give it-- like to surrender to something greater. Like to me, that's what reproductive liberation is, is like, yes, you're a whole person, yes, like you matter, but only to the extent that like you're interconnected with other people who are also whole people who matter too. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1503.0,1757.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah. Thank you. Is there anything else you would like to get on the record before we--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1757.0,1766.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\nI don't know. Probably go talk shit more about people but I [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1766.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\n*laughs*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1770.0,1772.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee \n\nJust gonna leave it alone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1772.0,1774.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nWe'll end it there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1774.0,1777.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/transcript/94392/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yemisi Combahee  \n\n*laughs*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=1777.0,1777.40336"}]},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/index/89549","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Yemisi Combahee: “I don’t want to be anything less than my whole human self wherever I go” 07-22-2025 11:44 [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/index/89549/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Coming into Reproductive Justice Work","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113#t=3.0,729.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150117/file/276113/index/89549/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Y. 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