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And we are interviewing Bianca Campbell for Georgia Dusk: A Southern Liberation Oral History Project. Today is February 22, 2023. And we're conducting this oral history in yes, please: a book house and care space in Scottdale, Georgia. You've been asked to participate in Georgia Dusk: An Oral History conducted by Ashby Combahee and Datricia Rollins. The project is partnered with the Spelman College Archives, a component of the Women's Research and Resource Center, founded by iconic Black feminist Dr. Beverly Guy-Sheftall, and which serves to document the experiences of contemporary Black feminist scholars, activists and cultural workers. The purpose of Georgia Dusk is to gather and preserve firsthand narratives of organizers and cultural workers who have a connection to Georgia and to a part of the Southern Freedom Movement. The oral history interviews provide elements of history that are often not apparent in traditional archival documents or dominant medium. The interviews enable participants to reclaim the narrative and historical representation of liberation movements throughout Georgia. When used with other research materials, the oral histories help provide a more holistic view of history. Bianca, can you please introduce yourself by saying your name, pronouns, age, and your work in the field of reproductive justice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=4.0,91.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell \n\nMy name is Bianca Campbell, my pronouns are they and she, and age? Oh, I'm 35.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=91.0,100.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nWoop-woop! Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=100.0,101.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell \n\n*laughs* And I currently work at Forward Together. And we're tasked with thinking expansively about family outside of an assimilationist framework but towards reproductive justice centered in queer and trans liberation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=101.0,119.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nBeautiful. Thank you. And you're also a doula.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=119.0,124.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI guess they say once a doula, always a doula-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=124.0,126.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\n-[crosstalk] Yes!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=126.0,126.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\n-[crosstalk] so, I'll claim it *shared laughter*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=126.0,130.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\n*shared laughter* Okay, and the question that we like to start with to ground ourselves is, who do you dedicate your oral history to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=130.0,141.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell\n\nI feel like I dedicate my oral history seven generations back, seven generations forward, but not just those who I am biologically connected to. I think about all the people who are queer, trans and disabled, who get de-lineated. And I include them, I honor them. I think of all the people that helped my ancestors survive. And I think of all the people who will help the people who come after me survive. So biological and chosen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=141.0,176.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nBeautiful. Thank you. And so we'll start with a little biographical, which is where and when were you born? And where were you raised? And who raised you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=176.0,193.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nWhere and when, 1987 on the anniversary of the Christmas rebellion in Jamaica, but I was born in South Florida to British Jamaican immigrants. And so I do think of that birthday as significant, because I think of the Christmas rebellion as one of the many times that the entire island became related to each other. Because like I said, I do think of relatedness not just about the biological but survival and thriving. And I think we became incredibly interdependent over the course of that week of rebellion. So yeah, I really am honored to be born on that day. I was supposed to be born in January, but I really wanted to sync up with the ancestors. And so I decided to come after Christmas dinner *laughs*. Who raised me, so I was raised by, like I said, British Jamaican immigrants, my mom, my dad, and primarily my grandma. Eventually, more folks came over to the US and I was surrounded by a lot of beloved people, aunts, uncles and my grandfather. But I was closest with my grandma. And she began caring for my father after my biological grandmother passed away at a very young age. My bio grandmother had declined cancer treatment, and asked my grandma to raise my father. And so now as a non-biological parent to be, I think more and more about de-lineation as a part of reproductive justice work. I don't think the field thinks about it a lot, this right to be remembered, the right to recognition for the non-biological parent. But it is really vital. So I have some stories, I think of like how she raised me to think of myself in that way, or think of inheritance in that way. One day, she sat me down because she was a little mad. My school had told me to put my ethnicity down as African American. And for reference, she does not-- It wasn't like, \"I don't want to be associate with African!!\" It was-- 'cause I know that's like a typical like beef that happens. It was more like she was raised, like she was the Jamaican equivalent of a sharecropper, and left school around like age 13. And--to cut sugar cane in plantations. And just like the context of like, what race is, what ethnicity is, is not a conversation that she had *laughs*. And so all she heard was not Jamaican. And she was shook, she was like, \"they're trying to erase you, they're trying to erase you from me!\" And like, it just was a really big thing for her to-- for me to see myself as Jamaican and connected to her. So she was worried about assimilation. And we don't share biology. And what we share is culture. It's meaning making, it's proverbs, it's Patois. And it's epigenetics. And so she was mad about erasure. And she told me, she told me that me, my children, my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren would all be Jamaican. And that this connection is something that cannot be watered down, erased or emigrated away from. And so I still carry that lesson. Despite, I am sure, the many ways that colonization has set in and the ways that I had to like unlearn, relearn that chosen family is important. And so I think another important thing about her is that back home in Jamaica, she was known as Sa Olga, and Sa is like a really big, beautiful deal. And I think when you translate that into the beauty of African American poetics, it's like calling someone Big Mama. You are that chosen, community, trusted adult. And so she was able to raise five people, including me and my father without ever giving birth. And I think as a future parent who's going to parent in similar ways, and someone who's already a community Auntie to a lot of people, I want to explore that, like a similar term of endearment. Something related to Sa, but is gender expansive, and so that it could honor her, honors all non-bio parents and roots me and my children across space and time into the divinity of Jamaican lineage. And I think it's important to not sound like a nationalist *laughs* and clarify some things too. To me, I think of, like I don't hold tightly onto this border of Jamaicanness. I see the Caribbean as a term to refer to the Black diaspora in the Americas. So I think of Gullah-Geechee people, Louisiana, Mississippi, folks in the US South more broadly. I think of the Caribbean islands also as part of Central and South America, because we connect other islands to the nearest continent. And I think the only reason why we use language like the Caribbean is because of like our Blackness, in a way to particularly isolate and separate us. And I think it's really important to lean into how our ancestors did not think of borders. I do think of Jamaicans as saved by Haiti, I think of Americans as saved by Haiti, saved by each other. And so, like this idea of relatedness continues to expand and include more and more of my people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=193.0,602.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI think of another caregiver being my mama, especially a mama--someone--a caregiver who showed me about reproductive justice. My mom was always in possession of her body, for the time that I knew her, and I know that there are times where she did not feel that way. But she knew exactly how many children she wanted, how she wanted to birth them, and that she was clear on, like, tying her tubes when she did not want to have any more. And she brought in other people to help raise us and never thought of herself as someone who was going to give up her entire identity to be, like restrictedly, a mom in this like, a nuclear ideal way. She needed to travel, she needed to go hang out with her friends, she needed time away from her kids. I wasn't always sure how to tell-- like how to feel about that growing up. I don't think I felt lack in the moment. But looking back as an adult, as a young adult, I was like, Well, this is what you were supposed to have done. And now as an older adult, I'm like that, is the beauty of self determination and autonomy and creating interdependent community. So, I'm really thankful for the relationship that I get to have with her now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=602.0,693.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI think I'm also deeply influenced by my dad and my grandfather, just as folks of other genders who still shape what reproductive justice could mean. I think of my father as someone who really had to figure out how to choose family, not because he was queer, but because his bio family separated after his bio mom died. And he sort of--the story goes, 'cause he doesn't fully remember, because he was very young. But sometimes he's like, I kind of remember just kind of showing up at Sa Olga's doorstep, and not really having a place to go. And that just being understood. His, yeah, his people left England afterwards. And he was just this dark skinned Black boy in the middle of Croydon in the 1960s. And so, I think, that continues to shape how he trusts people, how important friends are to him, how he like queers language in a way, and claims people as siblings, as mothers, as additional, additional, additional family. And I had no idea that a lot of the people that like were coming over to the family reunion, coming over for Thanksgiving weren't biologically related to me *laughs* I was like, I'm a little particular and I just realized I've been sharing my ice cream *loud, shared laughter* I don't know, I would've had separate bowls, I would've given you a different spoon. And I remember asking my grandma, like, how did you have all of those babies? *laughs* She's like uh, you know, no. *shared laughter* Yeah. Please let me know if I-- if there's more to hear. I feel like I need some guidance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=693.0,845.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah, no. Thank you. This is really beautiful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=845.0,851.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\n*whispers* Oh, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=851.0,853.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nI mean, I have plenty of places that we could go. But I feel like first, really funny that you're like, I would not have been sharing my ice cream. *shared laughter* But what it sounds like, is that your family, wow. Like, like, one of our next questions would be like, what are the values, you know, that you think-- but like, you just described it so beautifully.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=853.0,884.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nYeah, I mean, I'm curious to hear you elaborate a little bit more on the values question. And then you know, I think you also articulated really well how much of a, like cultural identity was like implemented very early on. And I wanna follow up on that as well. But let's start with like values.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=884.0,914.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell\n\nI think, hmm, mm, mm, mm, mm, so, for better or worse, I think some of the values I hold or learned, and I'm trying to unlearn are similar to a lot of first generation folks or children of immigrants, which is, to be exceptional. Like, you know, we didn't come all the way over here to just be an artist, like what? *laughs* We didn't come over here to draw, we coulda done that in Jamaica. *laughs* And we came here to become rich. I remember, I've always been into comics and drawing. And I made a book when I was very young. I think, maybe I made my first comic book, like in elementary school. And I was really proud of it. And I showed my mom and she was like, Okay, this is great. And you can pursue this after law school. *laughs* Wait what? I have to wait 'til an adult before I can draw again? And once it was pitched as like an extracurricular that could look good on college resumes, then I was allowed to draw again, but for a while, it was definitely like, oh, no, she's gonna become an artist. This is terrible *laughs*. My middle school was pre-law middle school. And so, it was--like our field trips were to jail. Our extracurriculars were going to the county courthouse and doing mock trials. Our classroom was shaped like a courtroom, like literally the teacher sat at a judge's stool with a gavel, like that *laughs* was considered excellent education *laughs*. So that idea of like, we have chosen the best route for you. We have determined this, since like I said, elementary school. You're going to be a lawyer. And we are going to set that up so that you--like that is your lane. And that is considered loving, because you don't have to be lost and confused. You don't have to be a broke artist, we've already told you, we've clarified it. And so I still-- even though I've like broken away from that, I still think it still comes up of like, putting off creative things until things are a little bit more stable. So for example, I do wonder how much more I would have gotten into doula work if I didn't have this perfectionism nagging at me. Or like this idea of needing to provide for not just myself but everyone, and how that, quote unquote, wouldn't be enough or I couldn't make it in that way. \n\nBianca Campbell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=914.0,1133.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that does relate to another value which is intergenerational care. I lived with my grandma, like I said, she was my primary caregiver. And it was normal, like every household, every Jamaican household that I knew of like, you just-- the idea of going into a nursing home was like, you must have been a horrible parent to end up there. And I definitely see myself as like, you have to work things out with your parents, despite how fucked up things are, because you're going to take care of them. You're going to be their primary caregiver one day. And so there were lots of moments in my early adulthood that were hard for my parents and I, I think my queerness, I think me calling my parents out on how their divorce impacted my sister and I, led to a lot of rifts that then had to be mended. Because ultimately, we don't believe that people are disposable. We don't cut folks out forever, or, the people closest to us out forever. And I think part of that is like this idea of return, this idea of-- my grandma used to say, once a man, twice a child. And so you're going to need care from your people again, so do right by them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1133.0,1239.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nAnd just backing up a little bit, 'cause I wanted to hear more about, you know, talking about the Christmas rebellion being the anniversary of you being born. And clearly that being so tied to cultural identity. When did you know that that was the anniversary? Like, was that talked about often in your family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1239.0,1258.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nOh, no, it's interesting. Like, my family did not talk about race, not because they were like, \"Oh, I don't see race!\" *laughs* But like I said, my grandma was from Jamaica, during the time where slavery was not taught in schools, and then she left school at a young age anyway. And then my parents are from England. They don't really-- *laughs*-- a lot of books about race were banned at the time. So my dad kind of read some in secret, but my mom didn't know much about it. And they came here, despite-- you know, they came here because they didn't know much about racism in the United States, *laugh* I don't think we would have been here. They're like, you know, the US looks amazing. I see Black people on TV. You don't see no Black people on TV in England. Like, obviously, things are awesome here. Let's go. So that's kind of how that was. And I had-- they didn't say you're Black. Like, the idea of I'm Black and racism is here, and slavery happened, did not happen until I was in middle school, when they sat me down to watch Roots. And I was like, what?! *laughter* Why are we here? This is a horrible place! But I feel like always very aware of discrimination, but particularly based on like skin color, like I would say, I have mahogany skin. And I see that people don't treat people with mahogany skin that well. They'd be like yeah, that's pretty much-- That's accurate. *laughs* Like talking about, yeah, going more into depth with that was not clear. And there was a lot of xenophobic discrimination and I think we talked about that more. And that was endorsed by my teachers. We used to-- for Haitian Flag Day, this is South Florida. It was allowed to just throw Haitian children into trash cans. Like it was an annual tradition for years. And even though I was not Haitian, I was dark. And like the trope is like, right? Like all the -isms, like Haiti embodies, to a lot of people in this subconscious way like, super Blackness, right, the audacity to rebel. You're not-- like, yeah. And so I would also get bullied by folks on Haitian Flag Day. And one time I was bullied by someone who was Haitian but was very light skinned. And like, I just remember him saying, like, I have to, *laughs* I have to get street cred, like I have to turn you in to save myself. It's vicious out here. So those are the things that my family and I talked about, but I had to, one, make sure that I think what they were clear on is like, you're-- despite the bullying, like-- and that's just the tip of the-- like there's so much bullying for-- despite being in a predominantly Black schooling my entire life. But that-- I know for a lot of people that leads to ideas of like, I'm better than certain people, certain Black people or that Jamaicanness is different, isolated and apart from, and somehow superior. But my family really wanted me to ground in like, this is all Blackness, this is all-- we're part of the same struggle. And I feel like that's a beautiful pass-me-down even though they hadn't heard of the Christmas rebellion, there's just still stuff that they know that we are interconnected and that you cannot let these individual bullies tell you what Blackness is, tell you what connection across diaspora means. And so I didn't find out about the Christmas rebellion until I was like-- well, I wasn't allowed, I literally was not allowed to ask about things related to Jamaican cultural history in school, I got reprimanded for that. So it wasn't until I had like, the internet and stuff before I could find out about the rebellion. And I just researched that on my own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1258.0,1259.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nYou know, it's interesting. I also grew up in South Florida. And you know, even when you were talking about like how your family and like your grandmother in particular was like you're Jamaican, and like when I began to understand, like the diaspora, but like, really understanding Caribbean because, you know, the thing that people most often attribute like South Florida is like, there's a lot of Latin American and Caribbean folks, right. And like the understanding of race is different, because most Caribbean countries don't have a large white population. But what they do have is they have class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1259.0,1605.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1605.0,1606.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd I think, you know, in America, what-- often, you know, because like, we're up against-- like Black people-- and I say that we have a shared African identity, period, right? We're all Black. Like, we all have a shared struggle. We just struggled a little bit differently in different places. But I think of, like Black Americans, it's like, we're next to white people all the time. So like, racism is like there. But what I think I got from Caribbean folks was a class analysis. And like really understanding like, how class impacts us and like you said, like colorism and your like articulation about like Haitian folks in South Florida like, that is exactly how they were treated. And so like, I'm a Black American, but like being dark skinned--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1606.0,1672.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1672.0,1673.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\n--is difficult. And so it's interesting that, like your family, even though they didn't necessarily like, have a lot of language around race, and that you had these experiences like in school, you still decided that you were going to show up still, like in a different way, that you were still going to like claim your Black identity and still be Jamaican. And then work towards like this social justice work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1673.0,1708.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell \n\nYeah, I-- thank you for naming that. 'Cause I do remember too, like, just-- again, like even before I understood what race was just growing up, and I'm sure you saw it, too, just seeing folks try to immigrate to South Florida and that be captured on TV. If you were Cuban, like you-- even before you knew like the politics. You just saw the bodies, right? Like, you see light skinned bodies coming over, pave the way, hurray. Another group of people have made it safely to the land of the free. And if you saw bodies that looked like yours, trying to come over, it was like, illegals. I'm so glad that we caught them and sent them back. Right. And so it's just like, oh my g-- like y'all hate us! *laughs* But not always having the language for that. And so like you're saying, like I knew about colorism. Very early on, like my mom would say, like, one of the first like, \"Hey, that's not right!\" moments, was when I saw the Cabbage Patch Dolls were like all the rage. Everybody wanted a Cabbage Patch Doll. And I did too, but then I saw the commercial and I saw that the doll that looked like me was in the back of the commercial. And like the white dolls at the front. And I was like, that's not right! I don't want a Cabbage Patch Doll! *laughs* It's like, whew! Saved me some money, honey, because I don't want to-- *laughs* that's great. And so yeah, it just I felt like-- I think because it was the colorism that I saw, I saw that like, just how it shows up despite what nationality you have, despite, like, how much you acculturate into the US, like that darkness is such a barrier. When I was-- like, even the reason I sound like this, versus how I did when I first came here, 'cause there's a whole back and forth. *laughs* I was born here, but then I immediately left the US and then I came back around preschool. When I started elementary school, they were like, I think she needs ESL as a second language, like she has such a thick accent. And my parents were like, oh, no! You have to like, assimilate! We didn't come here for you to be like kicked out of elementary school. So I remember sitting down and like watching Clueless and like, practicing to sound like Tracy, what's her name? Stacey Dash? Yeah, like she's Black. She sounds like this. And she seems to be doing fine in America. So let me do this. Yeah, but used to have access to an older ancestral language, used to sound a lot more like my grandma. And, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1708.0,1901.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm, mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1901.0,1905.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell \n\nThank you for catching my-- like I feel like that's the end of the thought. But I don't know if I answered the question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1905.0,1910.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYou answered the question, you answered my question. So I think you're also like articulating of how you started to build like, consciousness, like to the things that were happening around you, like you're watching the news, you're seeing people immigrate, you're having experiences in school. And so I am curious about like, so you went to a pre-law middle school? I've never heard of that. *shared laughter* But like, what was high school like for you? Did you go to high school in South Florida?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1910.0,1947.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1947.0,1947.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd like, what were some of the things that were like happening around the time and how were you kind of, I don't know developing into potentially like, a pre-lawyer in high school? *laughs*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1947.0,1960.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI went to Miramar High School. That's the school that's in the movie Moonlight. *laughs* We're famous. I also had the same chemistry teacher as Johnny Depp. And that's all that's-- no, I'm kidding. There's lots of things that are remarkable about Miramar High School. But that's-- those are the two biggest claims to fame. I think high school was very interesting. A lot less bullying. I was in the International Baccalaureate program. And the way that it was set up there was basically you had the same 60 classmates all four years for all of your classes. And so I was able to make friends with folks that I'm still connected to. And because I lived in Miramar, except for that, you know, back and forth time at the very beginning of my life, I've been in Miramar my whole life. And so I have friends that I met the day that I started preschool after coming back to America. And we went to the same middle-- elementary, middle and high school and college. So just being wrapped up in that bubble of protection and acceptance was really important for me after having such a rough experience in middle school. And I feel like I got to-- with that confidence, try to articulate some of my politics, or grapple in real-time with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=1960.0,2074.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI think someone who shaped me in a really big way is Monseiur Edouard, who was my French teacher. He was Haitian and, but instead of learning French-- like I took his class every single year. I do not know French *laughs* because all we did was have political debates. And I remember people sighing, you know, if it was a day that they really didn't want to take that exam, they're like, Bianca, you don't got no questions, no questions for Monsieur Edouard? But otherwise, some people were like, No, I was really trying to learn something today, like something about French, not about politics, *laughs* like Dangit, Bianca. But he was the first person that would like, I feel like treat me like somebody who had intellect to share or intellect to shape. And we would like-- he would say stuff like, \"Oh, why did you vote for Bush?\" I'm like, \"I didn't vote for Bush, I can't even vote!\" \"But I don't know, you're an American so, I don't know why you people do this.\" I was like, \"my peo--what!?\" *laughs* We would have debates on like, what does it mean to be an American, what was your responsibility as an American? Yes, you are of Jamaican descent, but like to escape into that, and to deny your citizenship and the privileges that come with it, and your connection to the American empire that is impacting my homeland of Haiti and your homeland of Jamaica. And like, all these things, you have to like, hold yourself accountable to that. And I'm not saying you yourself, individually, Bianca are responsible, but like, that's the analysis you need to come with, if you're interested in becoming an activist, if you're interested in like moving ethically, and so I was like, we gotta debate. And so we would like *laughs* have these arguments all the time. But those are my biggest takeaways. And also the like-- he didn't say it in the moment, I don't think he had language for it. But also this idea of like, the influence of Blackness, like, one day, he was doing salsa, a little bachata, and I was like, why are you doing that? Why you doin that, you keep ridiculing me about not being Black enough? And here you are doing this. He's like, it is Black. *laughs* I was like, what!? No, it's not. *laughs* It took so many years later to like, agree with him, 'cause there was no YouTube. I couldn't-- there was no Google. There was no debate. It was just, I don't think so. You think so. Oh, well, we'll debate. So yeah, I really appreciate all of those lessons about what gets taken from us, because in middle school I had asked--I was in a class of, I think it was like, all Black people, except for one Indian Caribbean woman, and all of us were Caribbean. And so we asked our teacher like, hey, it's Black History Month. That's so awesome. Like, would we be able to learn anything about like, Black Caribbean folks. And we were told that we were ungrateful immigrants. *laughs* That we need to know our place. And we are piggybacking off of the people who did the actual work to get you the freedom. Like, you just swooped in, in the 90s. But you didn't put in the work to deserve the freedoms that you have. And so it's such a stark contrast to then have a Black immigrant teacher in Monsieur Eduard, who would be like, yeah, Blackness is yours to shape. But also, there's political rigor involved, and I need you to know that. So I really appreciated those lessons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=2074.0,2333.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI was also able to have like, philosophy classes in middle school--I mean, in high school, and got to debate, like, despite being in a really religious community, got to safely debate the existence of God. And I felt confident in that because my grandpa was like the first atheist I'd ever met. And we got to talk about that moreso in high school. And I think it empowered me even though I wasn't really able to come out as queer myself. I just had a feeling that support would be there. And I think I used those debates to see like, what should I believe like, should I stay in the closet because God is real, or is this like, is this all made up? Like, can I do whatever I want? Um, And speaking of queerness, a best friend of mine that I met in middle school, I was older than him, joined me in high school a couple years later. And we were definitely the kids that were like, oh, y'all are either together, or you're both gay, like, *laughs* I'm not, I'm not sure. But there's something weird about you too. And in high school, he came out to me and a few friends at first, and I was really proud of him, I was thinking about what that might mean for me, the ways that he boldly opened those doors. But then, within two weeks, he had disappeared. And it was because he had been sent away to a camp in Tallahassee, which was six hours away, to quote unquote, be de-gayed. And I didn't see him or hear from him for at least two years, and it really scared me and the other queer folks that we knew to like, not come out like this is not a safe space, our parents know each other, our parents are probably asking for that recommendation. This is a great idea. I can't wait for him to come back saved, you know. So that, and then some survivor's guilt, like, why didn't I also come out? Like, they couldn't take all of us. Maybe they could. And so I feel like that was the first immediate, like, or direct experience of like, what the impact of like wanting to step into activism in a more intentional way. And I was on like, the specific 'Do not contact' list, block-at-all, you know, regards list because I was considered one of his closest people. And I was able to go to college and come out there. And it was such a different experience. And so then there's a lot of survivor's guilt. Like, I wish he was here. I wish he had this school counselor who was so affirming, I wish he could've made it to sophomore year when I started debating God, and like, it was accepted. But you did it as a freshman, and it was just like, fucked up, you know? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=2333.0,2586.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYeah, I feel like it was such an emotionally challenging time. But I knew I had to leave. My family was going through a lot of mental health and financial challenges at the time that led-- or mental health challenges that led to using money in ways that like, folks felt like it was the most important for their survival at the time, but it really made me have to be very independent, to figure out how I was going to go to school, go to college, specifically. And at the time, the state of Florida gave a free ride to anybody who-- free ride to college to anybody who could pass the IB exam. And the school was set up in a way that-- so like, the test comes in multiple parts, and you can choose which tests, there are six tests, you can choose, which are the hard versions, or the easy versions, you had three that you had to take the hard versions, and the rest you could take the easy versions. And the school was really like about exceptionalism and was saying everybody should take your math, your science as the hard versions to be exceptionally impressive to these schools and I knew that those were my weakest. *laughs* Like I loved science, I took science every year, even though I didn't have to, every semester even though I didn't have to, but it just, it wouldn't have made sense. And I was one of the only people who gave myself the permission to remix the tests in a way that played to my actual strengths. 'Cause like, I don't know about y'all, I am broke. I need a free ride to school. So I was able to do that. It was still a miracle that I passed because folks would joke that I have the ability to sleep-write. And I-- for your final exam, you are in an auditorium, you're onstage, teachers, classmates, in the audience looking at you. And like clockwork, I fell asleep in front of everybody in the middle of the exam. *laughs* And it's like, welp! And there goes your free ride. All right. *laughs* And then I woke up. I was like, oh, no, I wrote all over the test, I had written a story about unicorns I remember. And I was like, well, damnit! And I erased it. And I tried to rewrite what I could in the time allotted. And I turned it in. I was like, who knows. *laughs while talking* I have no idea if I passed! But I did, and I was-- out of the 60 people in my class, I don't think more than 15 people got the diploma-- of the IB diploma, and therefore the ability to go to college for free. So that's some of high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=2586.0,2798.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nThere was lots of racism as well. I had a teacher who, despite me-- I was in the science classes. And despite me being one of her, like most frequent students, every semester, you see me, I felt like she hated me, hated Black people. She was a white lady. And she would say that-- and didn't like women, either-- she would say-- or people with wombs, cause-- but I think she didn't have that language. So she was like, targeting her hatred towards like that. And she would say, like, oh, you can just smell when people are on their period. And it's so disgusting. And I just feel like nobody should go to school when they're on their period and should just stay home. And I was like, *laughs* what?! And when she-- there was a Latinx student-- So the IB exam needed extra books to study, it was really hard. It was a big deal, right? So we got--  one kid got a study book and brought it to class, 'cause we're like tryna-- ordered it online, is gonna help me, I need to pass. And this was like an approved study guide. This was not like cheating. But she-- but the kid was Latinx, so she took the book, and was like-- called him a cheater and a scoundrel and all these things, and, you gotta work hard. People don't like to use their brains anymore, like you do, and pointed to this person who was white and was just like, you are willing to work hard. This person is so lazy, blah, blah, blah. And then later on that year, when that person she pointed to was about to be-- was it? I think valedictorian or something like that, or had gotten a scholarship. She was like, I know, it's so hard for you to like, be seen and recognized for your brilliance. And I just want you to know that I see you. You know, you don't get a free pass for affirmative action. And he's like, I am Latinx. I see what you're trying to say. But that's fucked up. Or, you know, he didn't say fucked up. But he was like, I'm not ascribing to this. *laughs* And I want everybody to know, here in this classroom, that I'm not ascribing to this. But like, that is who she was. And she had a very big presence in that high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=2798.0,2967.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI think one last ish piece, if this feels connected. In high school, I got to start drawing again and really get into like Blerd culture. So I don't know if folks are similarly influenced by Adult Swim and Toonami, but yeah, I felt like it was one of the earlier generations of Black folks into anime. And so finding that group of nerds who would play role playing games and create their own imaginative stories, go online and meet people online who wanted to create roleplay stories based off of like, just re-mixing the world around us, re-mixing the books that we read, and like, oh, I want to rewrite this Harry Potter story, but like, my character is Black. I want to rewrite this but like my characters are Black. I would spend-- that was like my extracurricular, online writing fanfictions and-- but collaboratively. I know like sometimes fiction is like, I'm writing my version of the story. But the way that we played it was like you have-- you only control your character, and someone else controls that person's character and then you have to co-create the story, paragraph by paragraph. And sometimes we would, at lunch we would just have a drawing club and draw our characters, other people's characters, just create portals to explore Black nerd-dom in our own way. And I think that definitely continues to shape me now as an Auntie to a whole lot of Blerds. When my eldest started getting into anime like, okay, so no more Steven Universe, no more Cartoon Network. All right. Well, you know what time it is, time to go over to Auntie Bianca's house *laughs* 'cause I don't understand. I don't understand who Goku is. I really don't. I tried *laughs* you gotta go over to Auntie Bianca's house *laughs* sorry, to play video games? All right, time to go *laughs*. And I love being that representation. My uncle was that for me. So he was like, old school. He was like, Astroboy *laughs* if it's from Japan and it's from the 1950s or 60s. I love it. So I never-- I didn't think it was novel until later. But I really love that part about myself. And that idea that it's part of like, my past through my uncle and also my future through my nibbling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=2967.0,3014.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=3014.0,3122.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI love that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=3122.0,3133.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYeah, thanks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=3133.0,3152.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah, and so then, you go to college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=3152.0,3174.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell \n\nYeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=3174.0,3175.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nWhere'd you go? 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And so, and like, this Irish person with bold red hair, and it's just like, what are all of you walking down the street, knowing each other, interacting as if y'all are friends. You're supposed to be divided and flung to the Far East, you know, far places, far corners. So I think that was interesting, like the culture shock of people, of white people, in particular, being used to you being small, or you being insignificant, or you needing to get out of their way and knowing that you should be jumping out of their way when they walked by? 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And so we just put our blankets over our head and just like, chilled in the back of her like big old SUV. She handled the interaction. I don't remember what was said, but she clearly didn't want us to hear. And afterwards, we're like, picked our heads up and just like, so what happened? Who-- what did-- why did we have to do that? Or like, you know, she's like, well, you know, just a redneck. We're like, Oh, what's that? And she was like, well, *laughs* she was joking, but we took it seriously. She's like, they have a mark on the back of their neck. And when you have that mark, they don't like us. And that's like, okay, facts, I'm writing this down. I'm new to America. I'm trying to learn everything. *laughs* And so once I had-- once I went to middle--  elementary school, I met this person who was white and I didn't know that that was what that was. I said he was apricot. *laughs* And so, like, \"I'm mahogany, and you're apricot, wow, this is so cool. I don't meet a lot of apricot people.\" *shared laughter* I was like, \"Would you like to come over to my home?\" He was like, \"Yeah.\" But it was so funny. Like, I was just so like, in my like, in love with my blackness. And I had no idea about like, white people being superior or anything. I was like, \"Do you have a car? Do you have a home? Do you have a garage?\" Like, I was like giving him the tour? And I was like, \"This is my kitchen. Do you have a kitchen? Oh, wow, that's fascinating--\" *laughs* My grandma being like, \"Wow, you just--\" \"This is my spoon. Is that what you eat with, too? Fascinating!\" *laughs* I didn't know we had so much in common! *laughs* And I remember, like when my grandma was like, okay, who's coming over? It was like, \"Now he is apricot. But I did check the back of his neck. 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They didn't bat an eye. They're like, I mean, wow. But I guess we're still gonna go grab food tomorrow, like I don't know, this hasn't changed much. They accepted the people that I dated right away, but also, because that first relationship was unhealthy, they came to me with like, love. Like, it's not because that person, it's not because of that person's gender, it's that-- it's because of how they're acting, how they're treating you. And that's why we're intervening. So I just love, love, love, love my friends so much. And I think we got to explore coming into our adulthood together. 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And I-- But towards the end, I wanted to join like student groups and I was able to find a small community of queer folks because I loved my friends but as the only person that was out in my friend group from elementary school, and or elementary, high school and it sucked that I was only doing that in like my senior year 'cause it was also time to go. And during that time, gentrification had pushed my family out of South Florida. My dad was a welder. My mom worked for Delta Airlines. And the city of Miami said that these jobs, especially my dad's like mechanical factory job, just didn't hold up the city's image of like a party city, a tourist spot, and had banned that entire industry from city limits. And so my dad's factory moved to Alabama, which is where he's been living ever since. And the Delta office shut down. And my mom had to come to Atlanta, the Delta capital. So I got to stay in Florida, stay with my friends up until graduation, at which point it was time to see about the city called Atlanta *laughs*. And so I often think about like, where do the gentrified go, because of my experience, like I didn't want to come here and gentrify, but like, a lot of the gentrifiers, or a lot of the gentrifiers of color, anyway, Black gentrifiers are folks who are gentrified. So I don't know. I don't know, I have a lot of empathy. And I wish I could, I wish going back home made sense. But it didn't, and I wanna respect the folks that like, don't get to be in Atlanta anymore, who are from Atlanta. Just like folks do land acknowledgments for like, for big historical long term trauma, I think it's important for me to think of like even the more immediate traumas that I am connected to, which is being part of the push-out, but also grace because I was also pushed out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114#t=3550.0,3735.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276114/transcript/94380/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nSo, getting ready to go to Atlanta is like-- I went in to see a guidance counselor and I really wish I remembered their name because I think they set me up on this trajectory towards reproductive justice and I'm like, oh, you're such a big part of my history! Even though I only met you once. But they told-- it was this older, I think if they had the language at the time, would describe themselves as non-binary dark-skinned person with locs, even though locs were still just a thing, like juu- like maybe in Atlanta they had been a thing for a while, but Florida? Mmm-mm. That was like, you got natural hair! Wow. Wow. *laughs* So like, just embodied so much of like, a future me. But I did not resonate with like that at the time. But they told me about this group called SPARK RJ Now in Atlanta and that they center queer and trans people of color. So did not say the word reproductive justice. I wasn't looking for a reproductive justice home. I was looking for a place to meet more-- to have queer community once I came to Atlanta. And I'm so glad that I took them up on their advice. And shortly after moving here, I was at SPARK's first media camp. And I still didn't really know what reproductive justice meant. *laughs* Until I was at the camp I had applied, I had gotten in, I was in the car. I drove up with Paris Hatcher. We're talking about the mountains, which you know, I'm from Florida, flatlands. Like I hadn't even seen mountains before, like everything was just ooh! ooh! ah-ah-ah! And it's when we get there, that it's like, so reproductive justice. And here's how it applies to queer and trans folks. And I think it's so important. I'm so thankful for Paris to-- for presenting RJ in that way to me, because I've [only] seen RJ as this thing that is just for people who have the capacity or the potential to get pregnant. I was there with people who like, yeah, all bodies represented. Like, I-- some of the folks there were. Avi, Chase Simmons, Andre Livingston, Dean Steed, Angie Cain. And the series was led by J. Muhammad and Paris Hatcher. 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So I did start off as a member in December 2010 through that media camp and then volunteered, interned. And by like, May 2011 started working there. And I worked there, I think until maybe, 2013, something like that. And so there's just-- it was just such a formative time that I don't have like dates, I'm like, ooh! during that bubble, I just remember feeling really onboarded and swept up by Cortez Wright. And I feel like I learned as much from Cortez as I did from Paris about reproductive justice. When I met Cortez, they had just finished, in collaboration with others, the first zine by SPARK called the Fire Zine, all dedicated to Black, queer, trans RJ. I think Kate Shaps also helped with that. And it was ready to be shared with the world in 2011. 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And I remember when we crossed the state lines from Florida to Georgia, my grandpa locked the door, he's like “I'm scared”, *laughing* we're in America now! Despite growing up in America, definitely a huge culture shock to be in Atlanta specifically. Like even things like code switching, like growing up in South Florida, like the-- what felt most natural to code switch to would be Patois because everybody would speak it, right? And so coming to the-- I said, coming to the US, but coming to Atlanta, it was like, oh, but y'all don't like-- even having to learn to say y'all instead of unnu it's just like, oh, wow, that-- mhmm, I have to translate. I have to translate what it is that I'm trying to say. And so there's just like a large learning curve, not just like the politics, but just like how to relate to people. And those are some of the things I learned from Paris and Cortez in really hilarious ways, just randomly. But there was one time there was this artist I didn't know of, and I think I'm gonna-- that's the one name I didn't look up, I think Lisa Lee-ob [phoenetic] or something like this. They had a really popular song that they were singing and I was like, I do not know this song. They were cracking up, I can't believe you don't know this song! *laughs* Oh, Bianca, of course, we know you wouldn't know this song. And then I felt like my Black card was revoked. I'm like, is this like? *laughs* Is this like key to Black culture, and I just am the only person who doesn't know who this is? And during the pandemic was when I realized this person was white. And I was really mad *laughs*. I distinctly remember falling over-- people falling over in laughter about me not knowing a white person?! No, that's not fair. 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We were just folks who were deeply committed to the same things and wanting to, like, get to know each other intimately. And so Dean Steed, who I met at the media camp had become my best friend and we would, like I was living in Lithonia at the time, for most of that time at SPARK and would take the bus in to work because SPARK was in Kirkwood, at the time, right up the street from Petit Marché. And we would take the bus and the train and bike around the city together, do spoken word, and all that stuff *laughs* stay up as late as MARTA would allow us. I also got to build with Lamont Lloyd Sims, AJ Jones, Tamika Middleton, Amber Thomas, Beatrice Sullivan, Jhavia [Benjamin] -- I can't believe I'm forgetting Jhavia’s last name. But, yes, Jhavia and I eventually started doing belly dancing together. She had a whole Black queer, various curvatures and lusciousness and beautifulness, belly dance group-- and ages! So we had folks who were in their 50s and 60s, we had folks our age, at the time we were in our mid 20s. Yeah, it was an amazing time and definitely felt connected to reproductive justice, to just own your body in that way. And we did shows for like senior citizens, we did shows at this bar called Nicola's, we did performances like in studios, like we were everywhere just shimmying away. And they're also like, beautifully iconic spaces. I was just looking through photos from the Juice Box the other day, and the Juice Box, like people used to name their homes and, oh, I live at the Juice Box, oh I live at the Honeycomb. The Juice Box was a home, a house turned into a home, by Mary Hooks, who wasn't an organizer at the time, or an organizer in the way that we know Mary Hooks to be now. And Angela Hill, Paris Hatcher, J. Muhammad. And I think other folks were like, I'm just always here, but I don't live here. *laughs* But I think those were the actual residents of the home. And it would be this recurring Black queer space. I don't know if y'all had been either. If y'all have, Juice-- okay. It's-- it was amazing. It was magical. It just felt like there was this huge intergenerational Black queer party organizing relationship-building scene. And you could ask folks to use the Juice Box for hosting an event. So SPARK had like a whole event there. But even if you were like, tryna find family, tryna find space, tryna find chosen family. And you were like a Southern queer person of color, Black queer person, needing to crash for a while, like the couch was there, like it was just this, I don't know if they would say oh, yeah, I'm an organ-- I'm a reproductive justice organizer *laughs*. 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I've met people that I ended up dating there, like, just all the things, but definitely not that like, particular, intergenerational Black queer magic of the Juice Box. Yeah. So I think-- and I named those things because that is kind of what organizing was like, it wasn't I work at this institution. So here I am sending an email campaign, like, you had to like, if you were tryna move something, you gotta go to the Juice Box. You're tryna do some work, you gotta go-- you gotta build with these people. You gotta-- they gottta know who you are. I remember the first time I met Xochi was like, on their porch. And she was making crawfish pies and folks from BOLD, which I can't remember the acronym but it's a group of Black movement leaders. And they just wrapped up training and they were just kicking it at Xochi's and Kung Li's house. And, I don't know, it just felt like a great modeling of what it means to like host, to nurture, to curate, to weave relationships together. 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And it was intentional to call it that because it was this beautiful meeting space of folks who needed their names changed for all sorts of reasons. You thought that this was like an issue that only you had. But here you are sitting next to trans folks who are in the same boat as you, don't you feel like part of everything else? Don't you? *laughs* Don't you see us as part of everything else? Yup, yup, yup, yup, yup. And wouldn't it be silly if you like voted for a ban on name changes sittin' here, which *laughs* people who I don't think would have ever come together, seeing the the humanity in the other. And AJ was able to host I think at least five clinics back to back in one year out of the sheer need. And then it became like, we need to create like a booklet so that folks can just know what this process is in Georgia, because I love y'all, but I'm a volunteer. I can't always be here. It can't just be me. 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I sat in his office, and he was like, ridiculing me about-- and really trying to ridicule pregnant people who were incarcerated by saying like, there's no regrets for the way that he practices. And I wanted to sit down and talk to him because I think, a couple of months prior-- I think was months prior, there was a person who had been incarcerated in Clayton County. And because it was like a Friday or a holiday, they had to stay the weekend before they'd be seen. And during that time, they had reported a medical issue. And they ended up giving, having a still birth in the toilet. And it was, like doctors had said that it was actually a preventable situation if she had gotten immediate attention. And so asking Victor Hill about this, he was just scoffing, defensive, and twisted it into like, “you see these degrees on this wall. I'm an intelligent person. I know how to manipulate, I know how to get outta anything. You see this? This is a law degree. I'm not, I'm not no stupid sheriff, I know how to protect myself, you ain't gon get me.” And so I'm just like, “Oh, my God, like I'm sitting in his office and he's basically saying he does whatever the hell he pleases and he knows how to get away with it, right.” And, like, as of today, like he, like, as of this year anyway, he has been found guilty on six out of seven charges of violating constitutional rights of pretrial detainees, by-- he would strap them to chairs for hours at a time and this included like minors, so yeah, like this is who he was. He-- I called him out on it, like in person, heart-to-heart in 2011, 2012, and is still being charged with these things in 2023. So just like, and it's under that same idea, right? Like if you are incarcerated for whatever reason, but seems like this particular hatred for like pretrial or like this particular like power that he has in the not yet convicted space that folks are in, where he feels like he gets to do whatever he wants. And that woman was found not guilty by that Monday. So like arrested Friday, miscarriage Sunday, Monday, you're free to go. So, not that it should matter whether she was, quote unquote, guilty or not, 'cause laws are fucked up and arbitrary, but just like, there's this sick possession that he has over like, people in these particular precarious positions. And that, like the guise of this carceral state says, like, well, you don't know, you're in jail. So if you're in jail, there's something you did. So you have that as Sheriff, right. Like it was just this complete cosign, and I see the similarities between that 17 year old who was strapped to the chair for hours, and that person who lost their child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=850.0,1134.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nWe would also go to the state capitol and do lobby days and try to appeal to legislators and it'd be similar hatred and vitriol. And it started to feel horrible to bring folks, especially if that had happened to them, if they had been incarcerated and shackled during childbirth. It felt like I was getting secondhand trauma trying to bring-- I don't want to be in a position where I have to convince you to come and get berated like, that doesn't feel right. I don't wanna be tasked with that. I don't think these people see your humanity and I don't want to put you in a place where you-- like, for what like, they're not going to change this. They're clear on that. They do not care about us. And I think we need to think of ways outside of you being re-traumatized to get this law changed. But one time we were there at the Capitol and we-- they were debating SPARK's anti-shackling bill that they had proposed. And they said, Well, if we stop shackling like people are going to-- one legislator, I wish I remembered his name, because he should not be in office, and I need people to like *laughs* if he's still in office, to vote against him. But he said that, you know, if we don't shackle people, they could, like, take their blood and throw it on people and give people diseases. And we had a doctor on our side, and he stood up and was like, I just have to clarify that that is just not like, it's not possible. It's not true. And it's actually so dangerous, that you would speak with such authority about such a big falsehood. So it'd be instances like that, where I'm like, These people don't care. They see you for some reason as like this superhuman. And like, it's interesting how they say superhuman, but also like, inherently flawed, right? And like, if I were, if I could just-- like people talked about, like, you know, people-- women just get this-- and I say, people, but they said women, have this superhuman strength when they're pregnant, you know, they can snap people in half! I've heard people just run out and escape prison and *laughs* It's like, with an armed guard?! In a hospital?! While giving birth?! What are the-- what do you think people are capable of? But like, because of who-- Right? Like, it's Black people. It's like, yeah. And that means this idea of like, superhuman strength only when it's, like, inconvenient to whiteness, right? Like, even going back to slavery. It's like, oh, we can experiment on Black people and have OBGYN principles based off of the like intentional pain inflicted on Black people, because they can withstand pain. They're superhuman, they don't-- And so this idea of like, we can shackle Black people while they're getting pregnant. They're superhuman, they don't even feel it. Like this just feels like an echoing of that mentality from slavery of like, what Black people's bodies, quote, unquote, can endure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=1134.0,1351.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell \n\nAnd that experience also made me realize just how little I know about pregnancy, 'cause I'm like, I know you don't get-- you don't contract diseases from blood being thrown at you, and that the chances of all that happening are low [unclear], I know those things. But do I fully know how birth works? What to expect? I actually do have a lot of fear around birth, even outside of this shackling context. I just have-- I have not been exposed to it. I don't know what is normal, what is okay? I don't know how to support people. And I would like to. And I also thought that like becoming a doula would be a way to overcome that fear for like a future pregnancy and as a portal away from policy as the only way to support people. Like, actually, I can be in the room directly when this happens, and how do I ensure that people have the care as opposed to – “you had a bad experience and now you're going to fight for legislation.” It just seems so after the fact. So I wanted to get doula training. And I did it twice. And the first time with was with Mother Nature's Belly with Asiyah Muhsin-Thomas. And I really resonated with how she was also a non-bio parent. And she was lactating at the time using a device, like these sets of tubes that were woven over her chest. And like came to a point at the nipple that the baby could chest feed from and in the back would be a supply of donated breast milk. So they got to still have that, like skin-to-skin experience. And she was also pumping to eventually like produce her own milk as well. And that continues to be like the biggest takeaway like it-- to me, it's like a queer technology. And I'm like--*laughs* I was not--I didn't know what I was gonna use that for, but I was like, I need to keep this in my memory banks. So I love, love, love, love and appreciate her for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=1351.0,1505.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell \n\nI went on to eventually do five births. And I ended up learni-- like becoming close friends with a lot of people through those and like, became an auntie through one situation in particular which is always such a joy to me. I had met Yolande Tomlinson through SPARK, and at the time, she already had her first kiddo. Onyx was like a year and eight months at the time, and I think it was like Yolande's second Mother's day, was the day that we met, 'cause SPARK had a Mama's Day celebration. And when Yolande was-- but we didn't stay close. But when Yolande was pregnant with kiddo number two, I was her doula. I came over to help with like birthing poses, stretching, and I ended up missing the actual birth. *laughs* We had been like, yeah, it felt like it was like shortly after that stretching session. I was like, passed out, went to sleep. Thought I had my phone on to blare. It was dead. Yolande was like, “Well, I'm not goin’ to the hospital without my doula.” And then the midwife was like, “oh, yeah, the midwife you really wanted to work with isn't here. We've got this white lady.” She's like, “Uh! No. Guess I'm doing these poses that Bianca showed me and birthing right here.” So, *laughs* that's what happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=1505.0,1628.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nWhen my phone did come back on, I was like, \"Oh, my god, how's everything?\" “Baby's here. Yeah, but I don't-- I still thank you and I still consider you my doula, because I would have ended up going to the hospital if you were-- if you had answered and who knows how that would have come out. And I ended up feeling hella empowered, and decided to do it at home. And this is the best experience! I was-- it was just me and my family. And I got to take as long as I wanted. And I feel like I rebirthed myself in that experience.” So despite completely missing that *laughs* situation, we stayed in touch. And then I was like, “Oh my god, I have to-- *laughs* I don't feel like I have to make it up to you. But like, I need to at least start checking on you regularly since I wasn't there” *laughs*. And so that's how the friendship bloomed and eventually becoming an auntie to both kiddos. And I would say that in a way sort of wraps up my time at SPARK. So like, yes, there are these campaigns that were happening. But so much of SPARK were like these relationships.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=1628.0,1628.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\n-[crosstalk] Wow!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=1628.0,1715.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nMhmm. And then after SPARK, what do you go and do? So you're doula-ing? Building relationships? And then what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=1715.0,1730.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYeah. After SPARK, I went-- Oh, and I also met Santita Hooper at SPARK. She came on and we eventually became roommates. So after I left SPARK, she and I were roommates in southwest Atlanta, where I've been living to this day. And I ended up working at--oh my gosh, an abortion clinic, Atlanta Women's Center, and it was a job that I got through Oriaku Njoku. I had met her through SPARK, and-- well, no, I met her randomly at a pride party. But then we stayed in touch through SPARK. And working there, I ended up getting closer with Oriaku as well as Sukari Olawumi and Thalia [REDACTED]. And Selena, I think the last name was Phipps at the time. And Thalia really showed me how to, like counsel and bear witness to people as they were exploring their pregnancy options. I think in some clinics it's literally just a rundown. Do you know that Georgia law requires that I state that *laughs* these are the risks of having an abortion? And do you still consent to this procedure, knowing that these are the risks, like that, for some people is the extent of the counseling that they receive, that Thalia would get reprimanded, often by this horrible-- I mean, Atlanta Women's Center was not a great place. And I'm no, I'm probably not supposed to shame directly on this oral history project. But it was not-- it was a for-profit, probably still is a for-profit institution that exploits workers. Like financially, materially, emotionally, physically, as well as, like exploits the people who are pregnant in such a dire time of need. And I think some of the critique that I have of RJ is that we were in such a, quote, unquote, like desperate time, to have providers, especially providers in the South, that it wasn't common to question, especially because RJ has like activists and nonprofits and not RJ as like, providers of care. And so those worlds didn't overlap a lot. And you just like-- maybe an RJ activist talked to a doctor at an abortion clinic, but not the person answering the phones, not someone like me, not someone like Sukari. And so they get to wax poetic about how amazing it is and how they love to serve pregnant people, but like, okay, well. There are people who were pregnant who are on your staff that you're treating shittily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=1730.0,1936.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYeah, so I would have to-- so I also-- before SPARK I did some union organizing with AFSCME, I completely forgot about that. But I brought those skill sets into the dynamics with my co-workers. And also the dynamics that I had of like, learning to speak up to authority that I had gotten from Monsieur Edward. To really declare, like rights for our folks. In particular, there was an older person who had been like, not a nurse, but I guess, I don't know what the term is, like a nurse's assistant like, but like, a really awesome support person-- For years, I think 20 years, had been at Atlanta Women’s Center. And she got reprimanded for coming in too early.  And they considered it like, wage theft. And the reason she came in early was because the clinic was not clean to her standards to what she felt comfortable working with patients with so she would be willing to come early to do the more detailed cleaning, and had been doing it for a long time. And only recently was this an issue. It became an issue because she had, quote, unquote, been there so long, that she was earning too much. And I feel like they flat out said that, and that basically we can get someone here and pay them less. And--- but they needed an excuse because they couldn't just, I guess, you can! They eventually did, but they didn't feel like they could just fire you because you're old. That's what they did. And we had to-- I ended up with working with [REDACTED] to help come up with like, how do we support this worker? How do we secure at least unemployment wages because they said that she was insubordinate and therefore did not deserve unemployment. We eventually like won that-- the unemployment and back wages, but that's just like an example of how toxic and cruel that place was. People were reprimanded for being pregnant, and asked to go on unpaid leave. Yeah, just horrible. So those were the conditions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=1936.0,2108.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nAnd I think similarly, people were also harassed for-- like clients were harassed for not having enough money. And sometimes folks would be short, like $5, $10, $50. And we would try to raise the money amongst staff, you know, I was mostly working the phones, I wasn't getting paid a lot. But we would scrap up what we could, so people could have their procedures, because we knew that if they waited another week, they'd be short $100, $200. If that they didn't get seen that week, they probably had to go back to Mississippi, or Alabama, or Tennessee, and wait until next week, if they can come back next week. And so, going through that, seeing that happen several times a week, seeing the case loads increase. We used to be out at a decent hour every day, and then eventually it'd be like, wow, we're all pulling, like overtime, consistently, every day. People need these services. And other reasons were like we need to start meeting this gap. And so I was really honored to support or Oriaku's vision of having ARC Southeast come into existence, which is not just an abortion fund, but definitely started out that way. I had some connections with folks at the National Network of Abortion Funds, and I wanted to connect Oriaku to those folks. And now, Oriaku is the ED of NNAF. So I just love that progression and trajectory. Yeah, I think I love that ARC came out of a very lived experience of needing to raise money on our own. And it was interesting trying to balance that while figuring out like our own economic livelihood as underpaid and oppressed workers. One of the things that I deeply enjoyed about my job was when I got to console people over the phone, eventually, also in person, Thalia took me under her wing and showed me how to counsel clients, and I had like, my own room, and we would have like, as much time as I could wrestle out, 'cause is supposed to be like a boom, boom, bam. But Thalia was like, don't do boom, boom, bam *laughs* like, take the time. And really getting an understanding of like, what the landscape is, what-- why people are here having their procedure. There was one person who came in with sunglasses on and she didn't want to be recognized and she had so much shame. And I was like, well, you kinda have to take that off for the procedure. And anybody who's here is here for the same thing. So when we wanna unpack that shame together! And so we took a long time, we took as much time as we needed to unravel that together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=2108.0,2326.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYeah, it did often feel like actual therapeutic counseling. People, I think, have this assumption that if you provide abortions, you are always going to lean towards abortion no matter what. But there are several instances where it was clear that the person was being forced to have an abortion, especially minors. And it was dicey. Like it was a difficult situation. I had empathy. There was one mother who was like, I cannot afford for my child to have a child, like not on a moral ethical level, like financially, we will be bankrupt if this kid continues to have-- goes through with this pregnancy. And I empathized and also this kid was very clear that they did not want to have an abortion and the moment that is said, like I ethically and legally cannot. And I think those are the sorts of perspectives that I think get lost and I think folks, drum up-- drum us up to be something that we aren't. It wasn't abortion counseling, it was pregnancy options counseling. Whatever direction you are thinking about going in, how do we just make sure that you're clear and honest and are fully aware? Yeah. I think I also noticed, like practical support needs, like folks needing childcare to have procedures, folks needing a ride because they were gonna be put to sleep and still woozy and drowsy once they came to, and all of those things meant like meeting people. But the stigma around abortion, especially if you were from outside of the Atlanta area meant like, I came alone. And so needing to also think of like, what-- how can we give rides to people? How can we like pay for a taxi with the funds that we get like, we were scrapping a little bit together before ARC was what y'all see now, it was like [unclear] *laughs* and meeting the needs of folks that we saw when we were in the clinic. Yeah, so it's just-- I really appreciated getting such a hands-on sense of what people were going through and what they needed to feel like they had-- they were getting control over their lives again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=2326.0,2507.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nThe work conditions were too trash for me, despite the energy and joy and purpose I felt as an options counselor. I also found a lot of joy being a doula. Like an abortion doula. And I noticed that the skills were the same, like people after counseling, after really hearing their story, and helping them take the guilt out of the choice. They were like, I still want someone to hold my hand, can you be in the procedure room with me? Post-abortion support still felt necessary. So I just noticed myself doing a lot of the same things. And again, I found a lot of purpose in that, but I could not stay. And that was the last time I did like very local RJ work. I ended up getting a job at the National Network of Abortion Funds. And I can stop there, 'cause I want to see if there's any questions since that's a shift away from Georgia-specific things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=2507.0,2584.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah, no, it doesn't have to be Georgia-specific. I want to say that. You being in Georgia, and doing reproductive justice work, no matter where. But I think I have a question about like, how did those experiences like from SPARK, being what I call like, a clinic worker and provider and being a doula and then creating, co-creating along with other folks, ARC Southeast, inform and shape your work as you then grew into, like this national role?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=2584.0,2631.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell \n\nYeah, I think some of the ways that SPARK showed up at the abortion clinic was-- and the influence of just like, what we were learning through ARC through NNAF, because they were kinda showing us how to build, was even things like our language around pregnant people and asking people for their pronouns on the calls and not assuming, and like trying to get other folks on staff to start asking pronouns and not assuming who the partner is, which we were doing because we were queer, but like, 'cause like, Selena, Oriaku, and I were queer, but like, then organizing to see if that could be a norm, all the norms that we all held. And I remember getting pushback at first, being like, no, people aren't gonna understand or people going to be offended, but that like never came up either. Folks were just like, boop boop boop, it just didn't register at all. Or like if we said they, when we're reading a script. I never heard anybody say they, that's not accurate. And whenever we ask people, we usually just got either, the answer, like it was no big thing, or they're like, I don't know what pronouns are, what do you mean? But never a, How dare you ask? Right. And so I think that's one pivotal way. And I think a lot of people are using pregnant people in these sorts of terms now, but at that time, it was still a stretch, and I think definitely pulls from the things that Cortez and Paris and other folks who shaped SPARK had been advocating for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=2631.0,2751.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nHmm. I'm realizing now too, that I missed a really big part of-- it's just hard to be chronological, but I was also deeply shaped by Mia Kim Sullivan and the folks who hold down the CLPP conference in Massachusetts. And I think that was also like a way to add onto the political rigor. They had this leadership conference that was before CLPP. Like it was like the day before CLPP called NLNI. I don't know what it stands for, something about leaders *laughs* and I got to go. Paris Hatcher like helped me get into that conference while I was still working at SPARK. And I got to meet a lot of amazing badasses in RJ. Eesha Pandit. Verónica Bayetti Flores. And my partner, Courtney Hooks. And so April 13, was the day of the conference, April 13, 2013, is the day I met Courtney. And I have like wanted to show up for her in some way ever since. So I'm really excited for this April to be 10 years of knowing each other, circling around each other's orbit and trying to figure out how RJ lives in our bodies. How do we practice this on a daily basis with each other? But yeah, those are a lot of the influences that I think showed up in how I cared for people while at the clinic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=2751.0,2868.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nAnd then those lived experiences of being a care provider, 'cause I do think even that language was important, like I think, NNAF, thought of the term of care providers as just doctors. And I was like, No, I'm a former care provider, I consider Oriaku to be a current care provider. And I think you need to think expansively about like, who you consider experts, who you're bringing into this space. So really advocating for NNAF and abortion funds in general to really hold clinics accountable. *laughs* You cannot have the scarcity mentality. I know like, I'm in the South, y'all are in Massachusetts and California and Chicago. And there's like this, very much like oh, no, but the South is just like, what are they gonna do if they don't have this abusive doctor? They're gonna be so sad. Like no! *laughs* You kick them out, you get someone else or you have to hold people to a standard. People deserve not just any old care, they deserve good ass care. But I think it took a long time for NNAF to really start to articulate, like standards. Like you-- and I felt like they had the power as funds to be like you can withhold funding, you can like-- really let-- you're paying for these procedures a lot of the times like how do you wanna use that to demand what clients deserve. Because clients come to me complaining. I don't know if you've-- haven't heard anybody complaining, but it's not always amazing. So I think those-- when you talk about like how do these influences start to continue to build on each other? Those are key. I think CLPP also did a really great job at like abortion storytelling. And I saw that also with NNAF and I think my counseling experience at the clinic also showed up in creating this leadership development space for NNAF called Movement Makers. And it was a space for 25 people who do abortion funding work. Predominantly people of color doing abortion funding work, to come and build your leadership but also self and communal care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=2868.0,3029.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nAnd I think-- there's no way I could have pulled off something as intimate and as heartfelt without the guidance of my supervisor Adaku Utah. When we first met, I was so sad mad because I was like, \"Ah, man, I have a hard line between being friends with supervisors. You seem really cool, but there's no way I could get to know you.\" *laughs* \"I clock out and then I become Bianca, you know, and really sad that I'm not gonna get to know you.\" *laughs* She's like, \"What?! Okay, I respect the boundary, but feels like we'd be really great friends.\" *laughs* And so, obviously, Adaku was able to melt my icy heart, and we became really great friends. And I love, love, love, loved learning from them. I think Adaku continues to shape like, just like a vision of what I think leadership could be. I think, Mia Kim Sullivan, Adaku, Courtney Hooks, and others have this term, have this way about them that I like to consider like gentle leadership. And I think for a long time, the way that I spoke, the way that I came off was definitely read as silly, immature, too woo woo, and not a real leader. I had gotten fired from my AFSCME job shortly after being asked to start smoking, so that I could have a raspier voice and be taken more seriously. So after saying no, I'm not going to start smoking for a job, I was *laughs* fired. And I continued to be like, oh, I can't be a leader. People don't take me seriously. My voice is too high pitched. I don't curse people out like-- yeah, those things keep me from moving up, quote, unquote, in the world, right, when I still wanted to move up, right. So that-- I feel like there's a lot of personal like values that I carry with me, and values that aren't helpful, like the whole, you're not a real leader thing that I got to drop. The more I dug into RJ and the more I met people that I really trust and admire and adore. I even still have Adaku's check-in template. Because whenever we would check in we get to do some sort of embodiment practice to start off. There was always this way of like checking in about our mental health or emotional health, our people's health, and so much of our check in was that-- And not to say that we didn't talk about the work because I think Adaku is also a really rigorous person and wants to not just ideate but implement, but I just appreciate how it was always bundled in care and affection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=3029.0,3242.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYeah, I think national work is very interesting. Like there's this removal, this bird's-eye-view space that you hold that I think like, is beneficial in some ways. But I continue to miss being directly connected to people who are experiencing things and I think a lot of times-- Yeah, I think that's when I ended up in like the nonprofit organizing, I'm gonna send this email, you're gonna join NNAF, which is such a huge contrast to like how it was organizing at SPARK and I'm like, I don't know anybody, I don't know the people that I'm emailing, I don't know the people that-- so the Movement Maker space was so great to just-- and that was a newer addition to their work dynamic and I love sinking back in in that way. But it was still very much like you were part of an abortion fu-- like, it was still like, a very niche bucket of people and so that's a con but also such a pro to be surrounded by people who could-- who wanted to have that level of depth and understanding. We talked about abortion as portal. So, sometimes they critique that we got that like-- focusing on abortion isn't expansive enough. Why don't you like have a completely, like RJ-like conversation? Why can't your organization house it all? And for us, at least at the time, the way that I remember our articulation was like, it's actually a portal to all the things, right, because if we start at, someone's in the clinic, someone's having an abortion, that is like where they are at right now. That's what-- they need money for that, they need a ride to go to that. And that is such a like, limitless space to start talking about bodily autonomy, to start talking about self-determination, to start talking about gender, start talking about racism, to start talking about classism. But like, if you wanna just have this big, poetic, theoretical thing when someone like *laughs* has one week to come up with $7,000 - not $7000, $700. Like you're not recruit--like, that's not the space. So how do you show up for people and know that the conversations can come, because you're building up a actual relationship with these people. And it's not-- like Yamani Hernandez has this phrase of like, building transformative and not transactional relationships, which is hard to do as a national organization that's not actually in the room with people having their procedures. But that is the hope. And so a lot of these folks in the abortion funding world come from all sorts of backgrounds. Funds come in all different shapes and sizes. There are funds that are led by rich white women who volunteer and they don't need to get paid. You've got folks who are BIPOC and unpaid, but they're struggling and are trying to get funding because they wanna do this work, but they can't do this work without housing, you know. And so, to have that convergence of people, led to a lot of important conversations about all the things that I mentioned. And I loved seeing like, you know, kinda like when people-- I don't know if y'all have heard this, but sometimes when folks come to a predominantly Black space, they're like, oh, it's not diverse. It's just-- everybody's Black. I'm like, what?! But then you stay a little longer and you're like, actually, there's like a whole universe of diversity within Blackness, you just have to, like be willing to not see things from like, yeah, a white supremacist lens. And I think the same thing is about abortion, like you can talk about everything under the sun and in fact, like, it's a disservice to like think of these movements as separate, and then the moment I say abortion, you think I'm not talking about these issues as well. Yeah, I don't know if I'm explaining that thoughtfully enough, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=3242.0,3521.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah, yeah, I have two questions. One I'm gonna wait on and one is another national question because I think like what is important about like your work in doing national work and now your work at Forward Together, in the way that I understand it is, like, always-- I often refer to you as the great connector. *shared laughter* I remember like the first time I met-- maybe one of the first few times I met you, I feel like we had been in different spaces together. And I thought you worked at another organization, I think I like-- I was like, don't you work-- and you were like, No, but I'm in RJ but I work over here. And I was like, Well, I just see you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=3521.0,3565.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nMmmmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=3565.0,3566.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd I see you knowing these people and I was like newly coming into RJ work, and was trying to like learn the things. But what I understand your work, at like national organiz-- like at like Forward Together, at a national organization to be, like you said bird's-eye-view but like you do get to kinda see what is happening and how can like the national organization support the on-the-ground work which is so important, like you said like, there abortion funds that are scrappy, that are like wanting to do the work, but they need the support. And like, sometimes when you are in it, you can't even pause to ask for help. And sometimes you need like that outside, like that person who is like still in the work, just not in the office with you. Just not in all of your meetings, that can say like, I see the work that they're doing. And like, this is how we can support them. So I'm wondering if you, like, have any thoughts about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=3566.0,3633.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell \n\nYeah, I really appreciate that. I feel like that is accurate. And yeah, I do-- I feel like I'm very lucky to be in Atlanta, because there's just so much Black RJ here, that-- I don't know if I were-- if I had that same position, but I lived in Idaho, I don't know if I would say-- if people would say, Oh, you're really plugged in, you know, I think it's the magic of like, the universe placing me here amongst so many amazing brilliant activists and being able to see how folks need to weave and connect and meet each other. I do think that is the beauty of my role, getting to meet people and then seeing how people need to meet. I think that's like-- when I got to talk to y-- Well, yeah, when Amara, who I know now, in my current life was like, oh, yeah, I'm looking to connect with dope people. And she was talking about what she wants to do. And I was like, Oh, you need to meet Dartricia. *laughs* I don't know, I don't hang out with Dartricia every day. But I know enough to know that you should-- y'all would-- this is good. This is a match. So I do think that's a skill that I honed doing national work for that very reason. Like, I won't be necessarily doing the on-the-ground office work with you. But I know somebody that can or has that experience. Yeah, so I do think there are like pros, to weaving relationships, to having that bird's-eye-view, to having access to national money. Because I do feel like NNAF and Forward Together get more support, more financial support, than local orgs. And I think me, amongst many others, have been pushing national orgs to redistribute. And to make that process less daunting, to remove red tape, to-- for funds to be shared.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=3633.0,3777.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd now I would like to go back to-- I've been holding it. April 13, 2013. When you met Courtney Hooks. And the expression-- I'm not gonna get it right, but you kind of expressed like, the way that like, one, that you wanted to be in connection with this person, because of the way that they like embody RJ and the way that y'all have like come to embody reproductive justice together. And so yeah, I would like to know more about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=3777.0,3813.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI'm gonna see how to be as poetic as I've strived to be in the *laughs* rest of this interview. But um, yeah, I think, there was-- So I remember it being breakfast in a big red barn in Massachusetts. And I had my plate of food. And Courtney is the last person to walk into the door and I'm like, *gasps* What?! *laughs* Who are you?! Why are you here amongst these mortals, I don't understand?! *laughs* And I just had to like, put my food down and just run away and go sit somewhere else and like calm down. And then it was this, Hey, getting to know you. We're gonna do this speed, hello session. So we're going to play some music and wherever you sit down, that's who gotta talk to you for the next couple of minutes. And I was like, oh my god, I gotta make a good impression. And I like-- the music starts and I run over and I'm like hovering around that seat, you know, no big deal, I'm trying-- so trying not to, you know, if we have to sit together, that's what happens I guess, you know, no big deal. And the music stops and I'm like, No, no no! I just wanna sit next to you! And I sit down, and I have nothing to say. *laughs* I just sit and I hold my face in my hands and I have Courtney. She's going on and on. I'm like, Wow, that's amazing. And then she says, \"What about you?\" *laughs* And I freeze *laughing* and then the music starts again, I'm like Okay! Time to talk to somebody else, I'm like nooooo! Um, yeah, the rest of that conference was working up the courage to say something. And towards the end, we ended up talking about doula work. Courtney wanted to go to school to be a midwife. I was already a doula. She was already a doula. And I was like, okay, this is the plan. I can have a conversation about this. Thank God we're meeting at a reproductive justice conference *laughs*. We got to talk about our favorite workshops, things like that. And towards-- at the end, I was like, well, we should stay in touch and talk about doula stuff. Ya know! Yeah, that's a thing. And when we actually followed up, she was like, \"Wow, people don't ever really follow up from conferences, do they? They always mean to.\" *laughs* especially in the days of Skype, you know, it was just like, if you don't actually live in the same city, that's not gonna happen. And so she was in California at the time. And so we had to do a lotta Skype, 'cause that's what the technology was back in the olden days. And she did yoga, and she was vegetarian. And she was working with this--  she was doing all these births, had done so many more births than I had, with the amazing Sara Flores and had been working on anti-sterilization work in California prisons with Justice NOW, I was like, Wow, you are a badass. And I'm not vegetarian, so this could never work. *laughs* But I am dedicated to be your friend. And I will be there for you. Because otherwise we get along wonderfully.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=3813.0,4042.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nAnd so we've only been dating for the last four years, even though I've known her for 10, because I just counted myself out the moment she said she was a vegetarian *laughing* and we've dated all sorts of other people since then. And then eventually she was like, *whispers* 'cause of the vegetarianism? *laughs* Girl, come here! *laughs* I like you too! Since then, we-- it's been amazing, but throughout that entire time just, honoring her brilliance, I think she sharpens my lens all the time. Even-- she's like the most like voracious reader I know, like about anything. Like right now I'm in school for mental health counseling. And I was like, oh, yeah, there's like, I'm reading about adjustment disorder in the DSM-5. She's like, Oh, yeah, I read about that, too. Like how. How and why? *shared laughter* I'm over this. *laughing* I can't impress you with nothing! Yeah, so that is-- and supporting each other, me mostly supporting her during graduate school, because it is-- like when you have such an RJ grounding, and then you go to an institution that like, acts like Black bodies, Black, queer, and trans bodies are like, unimportant, it can be really demoralizing. So I think that's also a way that we connected. And, hmm, I would say in 2016, I was pregnant. And in a relationship that didn't make sense to my heart and spirit to continue the pregnancy in. But I also felt a lot of guilt and shame as someone who did want to become a parent, felt like this was an opportunity presented to me and how dare I not like, hold that. I'm not somebody who's not in a relationship. I wasn't single. I had stable housing. I was working at NNAF. And so I had, not the world's biggest salary, but I was stable, and so why, despite these checkmarks am I not going through with it. And so I felt so much shame that I was like, I'm not telling anyone about this until I-- well, I told some people. And I had also gotten a lot of backlash. There's a friend of mine that I had known from preschool who was basically, well meaning, still love her, we talked it out. But she was so shocked that I would even consider abortion. And because I had known her since I was literally two years old, it just like, really shut me down. And I was like, That's it. Not telling anybody else until I book the appointment. \n\nFOOTNOTE: My relationship was loving and my partner was supportive during and after the pregnancy. They’ve always encouraged me and my RJ work, especially ARC, and I am so thankful. We just weren’t ready for perhaps countless reasons.\n\nBut then Courtney calls, she's like, Hey, I know, this is random, you know, still, at-- in Connecticut, you're all the way in Atlanta. But thought of you. Had a dream that you were eight weeks pregnant. I just wanted to know how you're doing? *laughing* And I was like, I am exactly eight weeks pregnant! And I'm so sad! *laughing* I don't know how you know. But yes, I just booked my appointment for my abortion. And so it's just like, cosmic moments like that. I think that being the biggest one, where we're like, I think we are supposed to be in each other's lives. I don't know how. But like, we really, really see each other. And I want to continue honoring that however I can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4042.0,4296.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmmmm. So beautiful. Thank you. Do you have any other questions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4296.0,4309.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nNo. I'm wondering about that last question, I think we should ask it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4309.0,4314.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nOkay. I know we're so like, incognito over here. *shared laughter* Oh, my gosh, no, it feels like a really natural way to move into the last question, which is, what does reproductive liberation look like to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4314.0,4332.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nMmm. Mmmm. It looks like so many things. I don't know if this last question means to, like, summarize or just shorten. So I wanna be respectful of time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4332.0,4349.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nNo, no, no. So the question is, like, after like a culmination of, you know, us talking about your life, your coming into the world, your way of experiencing the world, the people you've met, and the experiences that have brought you here to age 35, to be doing this oral history here with us. Yeah, like, from all of that, take as long as you want, please, truly do. What does reproductive liberation look like to you? Because I think, you know, we understand reproductive justice, I think you understand it really well, I think you've articulated it in so many ways. And like, we're needing liberation, like, and so the question is just like a curiosity about how you would envision that for yourself, for your community, for the world, like, it's however you wanna answer it, but that's the question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4349.0,4417.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nYeah, 'cause I didn't get a chance to talk about Forward Together, and I think that it's such an important shaping as well. And I think it's where I've developed what I think it means for me. I've been a part of Forward Together, like, in some way, shape, or form, paid or unpaid, for almost as long as I've been a part of RJ. Forward Together, when they were called Asian Communities for Reproductive Justice, created the worksheet that Paris used to explain reproductive justice to me. So yeah, I have been a part of it for a really long time, joined their youth group, was a part of Echoing Ida, which was all about writing stories about reproductive justice, and then coming on to help with the Mama's Day campaign, which SPARK was a part of, which is how I met Yolande and it was because we were working with Forward Together to create cards for Mama's Day. So I just feel like in the background, Forward Together, and I think particularly, Eveline Shen, had been like really pushing, like pushing and creating space for me in ways and so, what drew me to Forward Together or continues to keep me there, is this articulation of RJ and family. I think the ways that we define RJ right now, or the mainstream ways that RJ is defined, is really just about like my dominion over my body. And I think Forward Together asks about, like, what is the dignity and divinity of relationship between family members. And so not just talking to the state, or to society to respect me and my body and my choices, but like, I also have to show up with integrity over my child's autonomy. Like actually, I don't have a right to a child in that sense of like, adults possess and own children. So how-- what is a definition that holds RJ and what we need from it, what we learn from it, with what we continue to surface? If we think of families as the site of where culture is made? Where meaning making is made? Where we learn what we have to unlearn? Then what does that space need to look like for liberation to happen? I think of so many people who share their stories about abortion, about sexuality, and like, bodies and their relationship to their bodies being shaped by what their family members say about their bodies, what they're allowed to do with their bodies. And so I think when Forward Together pivoted, quote unquote, pivoted away from talking about RJ to talk about families, folks were not seeing the throughline. And I think we've been working hard to start working on that articulation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4417.0,4618.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nSome of the projects that I'm really proud of are things like Mama's Day, which was about-- is, was-- when I was holding it -- I no longer hold that project-- was about creating greeting cards that really reflected the expanse of Mamahood, which we had declared was a genderless term. And so working with artists, usually Black trans artists to create the artwork that went on the greeting cards and working with local organizations to think through like, who needs these cards? Where are they? What messages are missing? What don't you see? What don't you hear? Where do you need to feel affirmed? Is what guided the cards. So sometimes the cards would be about like folks who were incarcerated. And like describing like, how challenging, hard, bittersweet, but possible it is to still be a parent, to still be someone that should be recognized and loved on on Mama's Day, and also for adult children of folks who are incarcerated, like what card do you need? And how do we like not only tap into the emotionality of this day for you, but also like the politicization so that your anger is directed at the system, right? And like that is what causes rupture in your family. And it's not because your parent, quote unquote, did a bad thing, right? So it's like continuing that pull from SPARK about like, no matter what, people deserve dignity. Incarceration is not a justification for dehumanizing somebody. And so bringing that ethos, I mean, they already had it, but just like building on that, and having space to explore that in Forward Together was really key. And we also have like a card that continues to be really popular, it is requested every year and it showcases trans femmes, trans folks period, but I think particularly folks are struck by seeing trans femmes as mothers, as parents. And noting just how incredibly hard it is to find cards that showcase that. And like these folks are in community with each other. There's this beautiful interdependence. Like yeah, and I think it showcases a lot of what my vision for reproductive liberation is about. It does center queer and trans folks of color, it centers the children, it centers the non-birthing, non-biological parent, it centers relatedness outside of biological essentialism. It is like seeing family as commitment, as choice, as responsibility and accountability. And that family is not like the nuclear unit that is a tool of capitalist control, but is expanded to mean trusted kin and kith that are working towards liberation, that are safe spaces to each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4618.0,4828.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI think my own journey to parenthood has also-- like my Auntiehood has really shaped my understanding, because I got to have that lived experience of trying to articulate relatedness to a young person. And that has-- since that time with Yolande have grown to be an Auntie to many other people. And even though I want to become a parent, that Auntiehood is still the most important role, because of that concept of choice. I'm not here-- you're not here with me because I birthed you, you're not here with me because the state says so, you're here with me, because I'm trust-- I'm showing up for you in ways that you trust and respect. And that can be taken away at any time if I'm not living up to your standards, if I'm not respecting you. And so it is a beautiful practice in giving children autonomy, especially because I'm not their parent. So I'm like, I'm not--I can't discipline you. I probably wouldn't, even if I was your parent, but like, I especially cannot discipline you. So this is-- we both-- I'm trying to be as equal footing as possible with you. And I have to like slow down, ask questions, be patient, give space. I used to volunteer at the Anna Julia Cooper Learning and Liberation Center when my kiddos were young enough, you know, and attending there at the time. And one of the kiddos was on a seesaw and fell and I was like, oh my god, their parent is going to kill me! *laughs* So I'm running over, tryna tend to their boo boos, and the kid holds their hand like, I'm sorry. But it's okay to fall. *laughs* I'm like, you're right! I'm helicoptering! [unclear] Like back up, give me some independence. I'm like, okay. So I love having those hands-on moments like that continuing to show up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4828.0,4953.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nI think that is what reproductive liberation looks like to me. It's, I don't only center children, I've gotten some pushback to think about like queer and trans folks who are decidedly and happily without children. And I do see reproductive justice as a space for them as well. Reproductive liberation has a space for them as well. I think of folks who are older and like my grandmother says, once a man, twice a child, like you will be in and out of care throughout your life. So I do hold those things. And I'm thinking about children as like folks who are currently children, and folks who have inner children within them that also need tending to. And so it just feels like an inescapable recognition of like the ways that you treat children, like, as a potential continuation of cycles of harm and intergenerational trauma, that we have to be really explicit and intentional about disrupting, or you fall into the tropes of adultism, which I think RJ has been holding to some extent, even with our mainstream articulation, it doesn't talk about the rights of children. So I think that's why my focus is there, not because I don't hold these other analyses to be true. But yeah, I do want to, like have that come up in everything that I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=4953.0,5043.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nEven as Courtney and I explore childhood, I had to go through such a unlearning and grieving process. Even though I thought I had these principles and values, there's still like so much more once it stops being like a theoretical framework and an applied embodiment. What does it mean to really -- like, when we were first thinking about, Okay, I'm not gonna be biologically connected, but maybe we should find a Jamaican donor because-- not because I think that the child, you know, isn't Jamaican if I-- if I'm not-- if my genes aren't involved. I don't think that there are Jamaican genes. However, the ways that people articulate relatedness in this country is very much connected to who your blood, quote unquote, relatives are. And I know that eventually I will not be their main influence in life. I can-- while they're 12 and under, I'm sure whatever I say is gospel, but the moment they get their own group of friends, when they're going out to the world, what they’ll say at 12 is different, what they're going to say at 60, 70. What they're going to tell their grandkids, will I be passed down? Will I like, will I show up on certificates? Like, I don't know. And so there was something in me that wanted to say like, you cannot, the state cannot, people cannot erase this. And because I do see myself as related to every single Jamaican, at least, like on a, quote, unquote, biological level if that ends up being important to how my kid understands family, like we are related. And I held on to that for a long time, even though it was incredibly hard to find donors *laughs* who met that criteria. And I was like, Okay, I gotta let it go. I gotta let it go. And just hope that what I'm trying to do a Forward Together-- well, when we try to articulate our queer and trans like perceptions of family that like, that resonates, and that continues to spread and that becomes how the people around my future children talk about family. And that it's not just, ah, Bianca's just saying that because she's, you know, trying to sound relevant, or she's trying to sound connected to me, but I'm not, you know. 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You know, sometimes people meet their donor, and like, I don't really get along with them. And I thought that I would look like them. I actually don't like, it was just interesting to meet. But who I actually fuck with is *laughs* my third cousin, because we're both queer and what are the cha-- you know, so it's just like access to get to know more of your own people, versus, you know, the idea that I think a lot of non-bio parents of have, like, my real parents, and it's not a competition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115#t=5193.0,5327.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150118/file/276115/transcript/94381/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bianca Campbell  \n\nSo that meant we had to think about finding a known donor. And I think it's a beautiful stepping into like, queer trans traditions anyway, because we've only been recently able to use the banks to begin with, and there's this beautiful story on a podcast, I forget, where this person talked about what it meant to try and like weave families together in the 70s. And there's this midwife who was anonymous and went by Midwife X and queer and trans folks would send letters to Midwife X about what they were looking for, how they wanted to meet, and then exchange the letters. And then the correspondence would continue through this midwife. And if folks really were a match, emotionally, politically, intellectually, all the things, then they would meet and can see the kiddo. And so this one cis queer man talked about his experience of like being a donor. But also wanting to figure out what family could be like, like with respect to the people that they had donated to, but wanted to form a relationship with the child and got to be part of the kid's life up until a point. And it would be like, I'd show up on birthdays, show up on holidays when I could, and got to take the kid to go meet their grandmother while she was still alive-- her biological grandmother while she was still alive. And just like the door's always open, and there's no question about everybody's role in that dynamic. And like the autonomy that that child has to form whatever bond that they want with them, with him as the donor whenever it felt right, and that it would shift like from, I feel like you're kinda like a dad to, you're a very nice man, thank you for helping my parents have me, I feel complete with our relationship. 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But I'm also thinking about, like, my parent's partners, I'm thinking about my uncles, I'm thinking about my neighbors, it just continues to expand and expand. I do think that's what liberation requires, this like-- like in polyamory we talk about like, how there's a difference between hierarchy and priorities. And I think hierarchies are stagnant. Family is the most important just because, and you can't question it, and biological family specifically being the most important, blood being thicker than water, but-- and it's this fixed way that cannot be challenged, whereas priorities can ebb and flow. Hey, kid that I, you know, birthed, you're really important to me, that's always you know, constant, you know, you're here, but also, this kid is in dire need right now. And I get to, like, drop you off to a trusted care provider, and like, show up for this kid in need, like, how do we really see ourselves as like-- I think being a non-biological aunt has shown me that all children are my children, like I'm part of everybody's business. And that like, seeking accountability, or-- that's not like a bad thing. It's not gossip. That's not like-- actually, it's how you stay safe. Like the isolation is what is harmful. So how can I be that trusted person where, if things are popping off at home, if things are popping off, like in your relationships, that like you have Auntie on speed dial like, you can call me, I will roll up. And you can also call Auntie out, like I'm not perfect, either. I want my children to always feel like they have that space for for critique. And that space for generative conflict, so that they learn that conflict does not mean disposability. 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And I think the folks who-- some of the folks who stretch me the most in in my thinking around family, and Courtney being I think, the most. Yeah, I am so excited about this world that we're building, I think there has to be some sort of, like audacity, that what you're doing is possible, if you're thinking about bringing someone into the world. And I think what gives me that audacity is what I've been learning through my people, the community that I've been building, knowing that there are like, alternatives in our lifetime that are already accessible to us, as opposed to this notion that I used to have that we have to build something else, like we can't-- like, everything is horrible, and you can't start until everything is perfect again. And I'm like, Oh, noooo. *laughs* I don't know, I don't know how I can do that with-- while I'm here. But knowing that, like, things can be in progress, liberation could be on the horizon. And it's still okay to start. And even if I don't see it, the hope is that I'm bringing someone into the world who does get to see it. And I think of like my ancestors who were like, yeah, I-- you know, there's-- someone was talking about the Christmas rebellion. There's this like, story that's shared, I am gonna say that it's true. Now, is there any documentation? I don't know. But the story goes that there was a woman who was on a plantation, who carried a torch and walked over to a barn and knew that she would be shot or hung for starting the fire. But she was like, it's not for me. It's for generations after me. Like, I don't-- I want this plantation burned to the ground, even if I burn with it. And so I think about like that long arc, that long view of what it is what I'm trying to do, and I do feel like, there's-- I'm so thankful. I'm so thankful for those people who said, like, this is not about just me, but it's about people who come after me, because I also feel like they're setting things up for my future children. And like, I wanna continue to add to that, like there's so much, I think of relatedness is like, like preparing a place, and I think my ancestors prepared a place as best as they could in Jamaica for me, and I feel like I'm preparing a place through my organizing for the children that are in my life already, and the children to come, biological or chosen, as a parent, as an auntie, however, and that's why I would do this work. I'm not doing this work for just myself. I'm really driven by like, what I will leave behind and what people will say about me, how they related to me, how I cared for them, what I made possible for them to continue to improve upon. 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