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She provides clarity and accountability for organizational, departmental, programmatic, and individual work planning. Establishes a robust internal onboarding, development, and support plan for staff. She also encourages employee wellness, retention, and ensures that FWHC is living up to our values throughout the organization. Charisse leads the investment in people, practice, and culture as FWHC grows and evolves; ensures effective organization-wide planning, decision-making, and change management processes; support organizational growth, planning, and capacity building and serve in a senior leadership role. 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So we are interviewing Charisse Jackson-Youngblood for Georgia Dusk: A Southern Liberation Oral History Project. Today is Thursday, February 23, 2023. And we are conducting this oral history, at yes, please: a book house and care space in Scottdale, Georgia. You have been asked to participate in Georgia Dusk: An Oral History, conducted by me, Ashby Combahee and Dartricia Rollins. The project is partnered with the Spelman College Archives, which is a component of the Woman's Research and Resource Center, founded by iconic Black feminist Dr. Beverly Guy-Sheftall and which serves to document the experiences of contemporary Black feminist scholars, activists, and cultural workers. The purpose of Georgia Dusk is to gather and preserve firsthand narratives of organizers and cultural workers who have a connection to Georgia and who are part of the Southern Freedom Movement. The oral history interviews provide elements of history that are often not apparent in traditional archival documents, or dominant media. The interviews enable participants to reclaim the narrative and historical representation of liberation movements throughout Georgia. When used with other research materials, the oral histories help to provide a more holistic view of history. So with that said, Charisse, can you please introduce yourself by saying your name, pronouns, age, and the work that you do in the field of reproductive justice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2.0,95.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nSure. I am Charisse Jackson-Youngblood. My pronouns are she/her, and I am, I will soon be 69 years old in August. And I am from Macon, Georgia. And I do work at Feminist Women's Health Center as the Director of People and Organizational Culture. And I think that's me!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=95.0,128.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee \n\nPerfect, thank you for the introduction. So one of the things that we'd like to kind of ground the beginning of the oral history with is asking our participants, Who do you dedicate your oral history to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=128.0,140.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nI'm gonna dedicate my oral history to one who came before me and one who came after me. My mother, Gloria Bibb Washington, who I am wearing red hair for today. She was a redhead, and I wanted to channel her to this process, because this would be something that she would absolutely love, and something that someone would absolutely ask her to do. So I wanna do her. And then I wanna do one that follows me. And that's Kwajelyn Jackson, who-- of whom-- I wouldn't be here either, if it weren't for her doin' her part. I feel like she has embodied everything that my mother has taught me and evidently has taught her, because she skipped my generation when she said she looks way up to my mother. So I am very pleased and honored to dedicate it to those two people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=140.0,203.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nYes, I love that. And so with that said, you kinda started to get at it. But let's start at kind of your roots. So tell us where and when were you born? Where were you raised, and then who raised you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=203.0,218.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nI was born in Macon, Georgia, 1954. August 1st, and my mother and father, Gloria Bibb Washington and Robert Arthur Washington raised me. We lived in a small apartment at-- until I was four years old. Then we moved into a house, and I'll never forget having my fourth birthday party in the backyard. I still remember it. You know, it was a monumental occasion for me, because I don't remember having a birthday party before then. But that was-- we moved into a neighborhood of Black educators. My mother and father both, were educators in Macon. And I got a real heavy background in-- and as a matter of fact, I never knew that people actually work-- the concept of actually workin' in the summer, because they were in education, and they were off in the summer. I was-- somehow that-- you know, it's like people don't work in the summer, that's cool. You know, but obviously people did, I went to the store, I went to the movies, all of those things, but it didn't register with me because I was so seeped in that educational environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=218.0,297.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nYeah, so I'd love to hear a little bit more about like what that surrounding community was like. I mean, you talked about your parents raising you. Who else were some of the adults who were raising you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=297.0,307.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nWell, we lived in an area in Macon, where there-- it was like a big cul-de-sac called Vining Circle, it was a U-shaped community where people lived on both sides of the street in this U-shape. And almost all of them either taught school, were principals or, you know, coaches, they were involved in some form of the educational system. And so I was friends with all of the kids whose mothers and fathers were in the education system. So it was prominent. And the other thing that happened is that my mother was a third grade teacher when we moved there. And she-- I was-- when I turned five, she would take me to school with her. At that time, you could do that. She took me to school with her and sent me to the first grade teacher's room. So I spent my year five, in the classroom with the first graders. So that sent me a little bit ahead. And so when it got time for me to actually register in school, she registered me at the school I was supposed to go to down the street. And I was a disciplinary problem, because I had already had all of the things that they were teaching', I already was exposed to. So they tested me and everything and sent me to the second grade at six, so that was, *laughs* that was my first like introduction to actual school, 'cause I don't believe we had kindergarten back then, you know, kindergarten was not a thing. I'm not sure when that started, but we didn't-- You just at six, you know, to the first grade. So that was an experience-- that was the first time I can remember being disciplined. And you know, in-- like that, you know, outside of home, being disciplined, where I was in the corner, and I had to, you know, to do something *laugh* 'cause I was bored, and I already knew Sally and Jane and Dick and Spot and all of those folks in the book. *laughs* You all probably didn't have that book. But everybody has Sally and Jane and Dick and Spot. I was like, I already know this. So what you doin? *laughs* that's a cute dress, what you-- *shared laughter* And I'm talking, you know, all of that. So that was my first experience of being disciplined in a group. But I also though, before that, remember, there was a preschool-like place called Miss Coates' School, where a lot of the educators pre-five, pre-six would go. And you know, it was like a daycare center, but all the kids were Bl-- you know, all the kids were Black during that time, because we were all in all-Black schools at that time. So that was, just remembering that that was my first school experience, even though I remember no discipline there. But it was just great to be able to go, you know, away from home and be with other kids and play and it was good. So that's my first sort of school experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=307.0,515.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nAnd so I'm curious, like, what impact do you think being raised in such a tight knit community of Black educators had on you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=515.0,522.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nI think it had-- it was-- there was some good things and some bad things. Well, I'll say, I'll use the words pro and con. The good things were that, you know, I got exposed to education very early, I got a chance to, you know, to be with folks who were teaching me all the time. And my mother was a English major. So I need not say any more than that. So *laughs* so being exposed to all the-- and each one of the children that I was friends with in the neighborhood, parents were teach-- you know, teaching them things too. So we learned things from each other. It was-- the difficult part was that when I'm in a situation, like when I went to school, to the first grade, all those teachers know your parents. *laughs* So, you know, it gets to be like \"oh man, you gon tell them--\" there's no disconnect from the community to sort of be who I am and make mistakes on my own and you know, not have the-- I'm not gonna call it fear, but the concern that you know-- and, \"Your grades need to be good too, because you are Miss So and so's daughter and Mr. So and so's d--, and I'm expecting big things.\" So, which, you know, can be a burden, if you're not good at school. But I happened to be really good in school. So that wasn't a problem. But it could have been, I mean, it was always in the back of my mind. And it did happen at one point when I got in high school, and we'll get to that later. But yeah, it's-- those are some of the drawbacks of being in the community. And like I said, having this conception that people didn't work in the summer, and that everybody's socio-economic state was, you know, just like mine. The perception that there were different, you know, levels of all of that, in my young age, in particular, did not-- because I hadn't been exposed. I'm exposed to folks who had nice houses, nice cars. So it-- I was shielded from reality, I would say that-- because, you know, two miles away, we had projects and all kinds of things that were going on that I had no idea about, you know, 'cause I just wasn't around in that environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=522.0,685.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee \n\nMhmm. Was your family religious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=685.0,685.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nMy mother took us to church. We went to Sunday school. I have a sister, I forgot to say that. I have a sister who's 10 years younger than me, who's actually named Kwajelyn as well, who I named my Kwajelyn after. So we went to Sunday school, and I enjoyed-- we didn't go-- in the beginning, we would just go to Sunday school and come home. And my mother would go to church, my father never went. His father was a preacher. And a very strict, you know, you can't take my-- my grandfather, you can't take my picture because it's a graven image. You know, that real Bible literalist, you can't dance. And so my dad was a-- *laughs* yeah, that went against everything he was about, you know, he was about having a good time. Jokin', laughin'. You know, he was just-- he was the life of every party. And so he-- what I would hear from him around church is, it's just a big business, and I don't want any parts of it. And as I got into my older age, I understand everything he's talking about. So, you know, he was fine with, if you wanna go, that's, that's okay. I'm okay with that. So he-- we did do that. And then when I was maybe 12-ish, preteen-ish. The church I was-- we were going to got a new minister, and he wanted everybody to re-sign the role in order to be a member. You have to re-sign, re-join, not go up to the [unclear], but rejoin by come-- by signing. And that was-- my mother was very politically astute. So she said, \"He wants us to re-sign so we can say we're for him. We are, you know, we have left that whole way, we are totally dedicated to you. So we're gonna re-sign.\" So we didn't do it. You know, she's like, \"I'm not doing-- I don't need to re-sign. I've been in this church for years. I'm not doin that.\" So we backed away from it a bit, you know, and didn't go, we went to-- which, she would let us go to Vacation Bible School in the summer, you know, because you know, it's harmless. It was fun. We could see our friends and that kinda thing, but we never were staunch religious people. You know, we went, I think because we were supposed to go. You know *laughing* And my mother probably went 'cause she was supposed to go, and she was born in Montgomery. So she was really familiar with Ebenezer and all of the King picture-- you know, stuff that was going on in Montgomery, Alabama. So she, I think, associated a lot of politicalness within the Black church. So being a part of that, I think was a way to stay connected with the politics of the city, 'cause we were at a big-- First Baptist Church in Macon, it was a big church. I mean, big in stature, we had a fair amount of parishioners, but I think-- and a lot of educators went there too. So, but we just weren't, you know, Bible thumping people-- We went, and that was it. We're believers, but we're not just adamant, you know, about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=685.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nI have a question. And I'm gonna admit something. So we realized that like, we didn't ask you your age before we came here. We were like, I was like, I don't actually know how old Ms Charisse is. 'Cause you look so young. And so we were kinda tryna piece together a timeline. And then when you just said you were born in 1954, I'm realizing, okay, yeah. You were born into segregation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=915.0,943.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=943.0,943.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nAnd so I'm curious about what was life like, growing up in segregation. Did you integrate? And you said that your mom was from Montgomery, Alabama, and she's politically astute. And yeah, so I don't know if you wanna talk--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=943.0,959.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood\n\nWell, yeah, there's a story there. The school I went to when I was five, I continued to go to until-- it was the first to the seventh grade. And then you went to middle school, or what, Junior High is what we called it. When I got to the seventh grade was when segregation started to happen. I mean, desegregation. Desegregation started to happen when I was in seventh grade. At the time, my mother had been offered a job at the high school, the white high school, and she was the counselor for the white high school, right when desegregation started. So she was the counselor. And they started to say-- they had seven-- they took seven people from-- to start the desegregation process. I was one of the seven that went to Southwest High School, it was called McEvoy B at the time, but, and it was all girls. The interesting thing about the high schools in Macon back then was that they were segregated by sex. All of the white high schools, the Black high schools were co-ed. But all of the white high schools were segregated by sex and the girls school-- I went to the eighth grade in the all girls school, all white school. Like I said, there was seven of us, that of course, they distributed us throughout the classrooms, we-- none of us were in the same classroom. And it was very difficult, it was a very difficult process. Because it was going from really blatant, *laughs* you know, one stark way of doing-- seeing people and to another, you know, and I had not been that exposed to white people 'cause we lived in a Black neighborhood, we had, you know, Black doctors, you know, we went-- you know, we were-- and we go to the small stores, were Black, it was sort of a Black community that we could, you know, operate in. So, we went-- so I spent my seventh, my eighth grade, and my ninth grade, in 10th grade, we went to the high school. So I ended up going to the school where my mother was. So that was a difficult thing to do on two levels. One is, I'm still in this environment where there's only seven Black people in the school. And I think-- no, Imma backup, I think there were more after-- the first year it was seven. I think they increased it a little bit over the years. But it still was not a big number at all, wasn't a big number.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=959.0,1005.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nAnd the thing that stands out in my mind about being at that school, one of the things, is that I remember distinctly us as Black girls, because we were-- it was an all girls school, getting together and said we need to try to make some friends. So let's-- when we go to the cafeteria, let's just go to-- 'cause we used to sit together, of course, and you know, try to ground ourselves, and we didn't know that term at the time, but we tryna ground ourselves and, you know, get some familiarity and, you know, see where we are, what we're doin', and what's goin' on. And so we decided to do that one day. So we all went to different tables in the lunch room. Absolutely every one of those folks, white people or white girls, got up and went to other tables. So the visual of seven empty tables with seven Black girls sitting at them. I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it. And we don't know what, really, what to do. We didn't get up, you know, we just ate our lunch and we got up and went on about our business, but I wish we had had-- we just were stunned, I think. So we just sat there and ate our lunch. We could see each other at the, you know, at the different tables, but that was an experience that I will never forget. So we didn't do that again. You know, eventually people started to befriend us, you know, because I think-- and the reason I think they did is just because, as it still is, Black is just cool. So they were like, oh, well, she's probably cool, you know, so they, people gravitated to us, and they were-- 'course the stereotypical thing happens too, this-- they want you to sing and dance, which, you know, we didn't really do *laughs* you know, \"Can you do this dance? Can you teach us how to do this dance?\" You know, back-- as I look back at it, you know, that's what they want-- entertainment is really what they were seeking rather than true friendship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1005.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nAnd interestingly enough-- now, I'll go back to that, that's-- I'm gonna stay around the two things that stand out for me. The second one is that they eventually had some-- when I got to-- I don't know whether it was my 8th, 10th, 11th, or 12th grade, but Black teachers started to be a part of the school. And my mother was moved up to the-- I can't remember if it was assistant principal or the principal, before I left, of the school. And--which put-- it's, and I was in-- happened to be in a few of the Black teachers' spaces, but they were very watchful and wanted me to do well, you know, you you need to do well, I had a big burden on me, because, \"You the principle's daughter, I'm teaching you, you gon need--\" and then I look back at it now, \"You gon need to do well, so it reflects well on me.\" So I do remember makin' a C on somethin' and my teacher said, \"I know\"-- out loud in the class. I know she didn't really mean to do this, but \"I know this not Ms. Washington's daughter making a C on this test.\" [unclear] *laughing* I was like, okay. So you know, those kinds of things, those are the two standout kinds of things that I was dealing with. And I would ri-- I had rode to school with my mother every day, and home with her every day. And I realized too, that I, you know, I didn't have a whole lot of independence from her in that space, either. You know, just like I was with her at five, you know, going to somebody else's class. But she was a great mother, she was-- I think she realized all of this too. And was-- it really-- did not bother me during the day, we didn't-- we had really good boundaries, although we didn't call them that. We knew-- knowing now that those were good boundaries, you know, she didn't need to see me, if I wasn't doin'-- didn't need to go to the principal's office, you know, and I didn't, there was no need to call me like she wouldn't call anybody else so she had good boundaries around that. So that was sort of my integrating years, with desegregation. That's how it was goin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1260.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nSo, yeah, desegregation being a big political thing in education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1319.0,1420.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nMhmmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1420.0,1420.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee \n\nCivil Rights Movement is really at its apex, right when you're being born. And so I'm wondering, considering, like, you're talking about your parents within the church having this kind of political criticism as well. How aware were you of things happening politically, especially as like an adolescent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1420.0,1437.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nI think I was very aware, simply because, you know, they would talk about it in the house. So like I said, I was an adolescent, my sister was really too young. But so I'm-- instead of, you know, doing other things, I would just listen and listen to what they were sayin'. And so I was very aware of what was goin' on. And I don't think I had any inkling that I could participate at that time, but I knew that they were keepin' up with what was goin' on. And I did feel safe, though. You know, because there was a lot of, you know, the-- right, the-- what is it, when the police would do that--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1437.0,1485.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah, a lot of like, hosing [crosstalk]--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1485.0,1487.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nRight. And you ended up at Spelman as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1487.0,1487.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nHosing! [crosstalk] That's what I'm tryna think of, the hosing, and you could see it on TV, we can see it on TV, but I did feel safe in our environment. I'm not sure whether they told me you're safe, or I just knew it, you know, instinctively. And I do also remember the Dairy Queen, we could not go in the front, we had-- there was a back door for the Dairy Queen that we had to go to to get ice cream. And it had, you know, had the \"Colored entrance here\" and at the mall, they had the-- I remember the Colored bathrooms were separated and all of those kinds of things. My mother wouldn't take us to there. We didn't get Dairy Queen 'til we were grown 'cause we just, we're not gonna go to the back. You know, those kinds of things I know she stood for. And when we would go to-- another thing I remember, when we would go downtown. And she would go to Davison's, that was a big store in Macon. And she would give the person her credit card to pay for whatever it was, and her name was on it, which was interesting, in that days. It mighta had Mrs. Gloria Washington on there. But if they called her Gloria, instead of \"okay, here, Mrs. Washington, here's your\"-- that was gonna be-- \"you're going to learn that you don't know me well enough to call me Gloria. And my name is Mrs. Washington. And that's what's on the, you know, that's what's on the card. You don't call me Gloria.\" I mean, I remember her doing those-- I would be like, Oh, I hope the person c-- I hope they call her Ms. Washington, so she won't be mad at this person, *laughing* you know. But those kinds of political things I remember distinctly her doing, you know, and you can-- \"you're not goin' to the back of anybody's store to get some ice cream. We can-- I can buy you some ice cream from the Piggly Wiggly, we're not doin' that.\" So those were some of the things I-- you know, that have popped up for me around what was goin' on around the Civil Rights Movement at that time. And they both-- my mother went to Spelman, so, and my father went to Morehouse, so they were brought up around-- they went with Julian Bond. And you know that my dad was in school with Julian Bond. And you know, and there was a big political movement goin' on when they were there, you know, so they were into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1487.0,1644.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nYes, yes. I went to Spelman. My sister went to Spelman, my father's sisters went to Spelman. So you know, it was a family affair. So SpelHouse-made. *laughs* SpelHouse-made. Yeah, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1644.0,1658.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI mean, knowin' that it's such a family tradition, I also assume that there was like, choice involved as well, like and so I'm wonderin', what was that process for you making the decision to go to Spelman, and then like that transition from Macon to Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1658.0,1673.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nOkay, so, I was brought up, you know, knowing about Spelman because they just, you know, that and Morehouse, because that was another piece of the conversation that was often had in the household. And thought, wow, I didn't know there was any other college. [unclear] So after a while, I-- when it come time for me to apply, I applied to Howard, I applied to Spelman, and I applied to Fisk, I believe. And so, when it came ti-- I got accepted. I can't remember if I got accepted to-- I think I got accepted to Howard, I can't remember Fisk. I got accepted to Howard, got accepted to Spelman. And then my dad had said you can, you know, you can make this choice. But he said, but if you go to Howard, you can't come home every weekend, you can't-- you know, these are the things that you're not gonna be able to do that you need to consider in your choice. And of course, by that time, I knew they went, and you know, we have a long legacy here. So I definitely-- and he said, you can come home whenever you want to if you go to Spelman, not knowin' I was gonna wanna stay on campus 24/7 all the time anyway. *shared laughter* But I made the right choice. I made the right choice and went to Spelman. The other thing that's interesting about Spelman and my family, is that, the year before I went, my mother got offered the Dean of Students position at Spelman. And she turned it down. She said I'm not gonna follow you to college. I just cannot, I will not, you know, I've been in all of your elementary school, your high school. I'm not gonna follow you to college so she turned down that position, which was a sacrifice. I think it would have been-- I think she would have been fantastic. But I'm glad she turned it down 'cause I got to be Charisse there. You know, with no parent involved. So that was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1673.0,1803.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nYeah. What did you study?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1803.0,1805.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood\n\nI was a biology major. And the reason was-- which-- it was a bad choice, let's put it that way. But my father taught biology at Ballard-Hudson in Macon. And in the summer, when I was little, I can remember, when I was six, seven years old, going to school with him while he prepped for kids' class, and labs, and he had all these things in a jar, and, you know, all of the formaldehyde-- all of this equipment and stuff that he was gonna use, and I showed a lot of interest in it, which he praised at the time. Oh, yeah, I'm glad you like this, you know, this is great, you know, you like science, which if he had been in an English classroom, and would have had some blocks, I probably would've liked that too. But he was unknowingly feeding that, you know, feeding that science piece to me, and I bit it, you know, and then it bled over to home. If I have a science project, you know, we would do it and I would be interested in it. So he's like, Oh, I'm so glad you like science and the-- you know, so I can tea-- so it was a means of pleasing him unconsciously for me to continue in that field, you know, continue-- So when I went to Spelman, I majored in biology and said, Okay, I don't-- it was hard, too-- Imma tell you a short piece about-- there were like 20-something of us that went in as biology majors, five of us got all the way through to the end, five of twenty. It was tough, 'cause we had to be chemistry minors. I didn't sign up *laughs* I didn't sign up to do chemistry, I don't like that, you know, and we had to do all this calculus. It was like, it was rough. The other interesting thing about that is, the head of the department, the biology department, was a teacher who taught my dad when he was at Morehouse. He was real old, but he taught my dad at Morehouse, Dr. Smith, and it was just really *laughing* interesting to have that dichotomy of generations, you know, getting the same teacher. And then I had a good friend at Spelman whose father went to school with my dad, so we, you know, that was another real joy, to connect with her on. So, you know, we had some times, we had some times with that major, but I did-- I went on and graduated with it and thought I wanted to go to vet school. That was not true. *laughs* That was not true. So I decided to do medical technology, which was still in the medical-- still a medical piece. And I went to Meharry to get my medical technology degree, and that was quite an experience, you know, livin' on campus. And, you know, I had a Spelman friend who went to the dental school at the same time, so that was a good connection. But I continued to do these HBCU schools, you know, as much as I could, I guess making up for all that high school shenanigans that had to *laughing* happen. You know, but I stayed connected to the Black community as much as I could. By doing that was-- I thought was-- and I had a great time at Meharry. The program was two years, I believe. So I did that. But I realized in that-- after I started working in medical technology that I really am not-- this is not where I belong, you know, it's just not-- I was very, I still was very-- political stuff was still goin' on. I was still really interested in that kind of thing. So I'll hold right there for the education for the moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1805.0,1844.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1844.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nI have another, I mean, what was it like being on Spelman campus? What timeframe, what I'm tryna--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=1890.0,2064.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood\n\nI went in '71.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2064.0,2065.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nOkay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2065.0,2066.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\n'71 to '75. And it was not that different because I had been at an all-girls school, my whole high school years, but to be in a all-girls school, and to be with all Black women, was fantastic. I loved it. I am so connected to those folks, the class of '75, we-- my roommate, well, she wasn't my roommate in the, my freshman year, [unclear] as a first-year student. She lived next door. So she and I lived together the rest of the time, during our-- until we were seniors and then we had a lil suite. We had-- we were the first ones in the new senior building and had a little suite, but she was in the suite with us. But she's the person who has kept our class connected all these years. And I think we started like, maybe 10 or 12 years ago, goin' on a trip together every year. So we go, we vote on where we're going. She sets everything up, gets everybody's money, gets the hotels together. And then there are two people that-- she and another one of my classmates, plan the activities. So this past year, we went to Nashville. This year, next year we goin' to Charlotte. We've been to Vegas. We've been to New York. We've been to Charlotte, we've been all over, you know just, the class, you know, and then we have these activities, and we do things and then we wait for next year. But we have got-- that class of '75. We're gettin' ready to be Golden Girls for our next reunion in 2025. So we're getting ready for that and raising money. And I'm on the fundraising committee and we're doin' all kindsa things because we wanna make a really great showing in our Golden Girl reunion. So, we-- that-- bein' at Spelman with-- connecting with Black women in that way was invaluable. It was really invaluable. You know, we might-- as Jay-Z s-- might've had 99 problems but being Black and on Spelman's campus was not one of them. *laughs* It was a good thing. I did not miss any of the, you know, sort of the cloud over my head of, you know, oh my goodness, these white people, what is going to happen here? Or you know, what kind of situation, is this person gonna be decent or not? And of course, everybody wasn't decent there, but it wasn't because of race. *laughing* you know, the other 99 problems, it wasn't race. Had to've been somethin' else. But that was one thing. And we had Black teachers. I'm trying to think, did I have any white teachers? I don't remember, I had a-- *mumbling to self [unclear]* One nother interesting thing, Black teacher that I had was Christine King Farris, Dr. King's sister. We-- so many of us took the--  you had to do some sort of test soon as you got to Spelman, and they put a bunch of us in remedial reading, *laughs* which was funny, but they did. And she taught remedial reading. I mean, that was a huge class, but she was so elegant. And she would-- she started off with, \"My name is Christine King Farris.\" And I mean, she was just-- that was her-- and she taught like that, you know, so it was it was a quite an honor and a pleasure to be in her class. So that was an interesting part of my Spelman experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2066.0,2316.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nMhmm. And what was Atlanta like? Did you venture off campus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2316.0,2321.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nYes. We didn't do a lot of-- 'cause we didn't have cars. So we didn't venture that far. We rode with people to where we needed to go. We had the West End so we could walk to the West End. And that's where-- there's a little mall and you know, so that's where we spent most of our time. We didn't do a lot of going out to restaurants-- Paschal's was not where it is now, it was down the hill right around Morehouse area. There were lots of little restaurants like that, all Black, and we stay-- unless there was a party or something going on off campus, we pretty much stayed there and got all our needs met on campus, you know. It was-- you know, we interacted with-- we went to Morehouse's campus a lot, you know, and they came to our campus a lot, but we did not-- I don't remember venturin' that far off campus. Now when I lived in Macon before I went to Spelman, we used to come to Atlanta all the time, 'cause my mother would shop at Rich's, and you know, she would like-- be like, I need to go to Ri-- 'cause we didn't have Rich's in Macon and she was like, \"I don't wanna go to this affair and see myself 'cause everybody been to Davison's and got the same dress,\" *laughs* \"so let's go up to Rich's.\" And we would go to Rich's. She and her best friend would-- and I, would go to Rich's. And so I was familiar with Atlanta before I got here, and one of my father's sisters lived here too. So we would come up to visit them from time to time. So I was familiar with the surroundings, but everything we needed was right there on campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2321.0,2428.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2428.0,2429.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nMeharry, where is that, is that--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2429.0,2431.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nNashville.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2431.0,2431.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nOkay. Yeah. So what was that, like-- That's then your first time outside of Georgia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2431.0,2436.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nYes, that was my first time livin' outside of Georgia, went to Nashville. I love Nashville. It was, again, like I said, an all Black college, but this time, for medical school, this time, it was co-ed, too. So that was very interesting. I met my husband there. My first one, there, Kwajelyn's father, who's an amazing man. He was in med tech program before me. And so he h-- he was workin' in the lab at the Meharry, you know, at Meharry when my we-- when my class came in. And it was just, it was a great experience. I didn't have any-- I had one issue with a roommate, but you know, that happens. She was, you know-- I would come back to the room and she would have on my clothes. Like, that looks like my-- so anyway, but we got over that, you know, it was nothing that marred the experience. You know, the experience was great. I started working in-- I worked in Nashville. I think my-- 1977 was when I got married. And we were-- you know, we lived in Nashville for several years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2436.0,2466.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nWhat were your first jobs in that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2466.0,2523.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nI believe I worked at an independent lab. I'm tryna remember and I don't remember the name of it, but it's an independent lab doing, you know med tech work. You know, drawing blood, doin' the tests on the blood and the urine and whatever I had to test, which is-- medical technology is one of the most stressful jobs you can have. Because the doctor depends on the test results to make a diagnosis. So if the test results are wrong, the diagnosis is wrong. So the ability to be able to make the-- you know, make the right decisions on this, on that, on whatever you have, not contaminate-- all those things get to be very stressful. And, you know, because you don't wanna be responsible for somebody-- you know, the blood bankin' is a part of med tech. All of the, all of your blood tests, when you go get your blood drawn, all of the results that come back, somebody has run those tests, and it's med techs. So you know, that was a lot of responsibility. But that was my first job. Then I worked-- I remember moving from that job to the VA hospital, I went to the VA hospital. That was the worst, because it was-- all of my patients were World War II vets, and they were old, and they didn't wanna be bothered, and here's this Black girl tryna draw my blood and you know, I'm not-- I don't want it, you know, and I was pregnant with Kwajelyn during the time I was working for the VA, too,  that happened at that time. So, and we were livin' --we had moved, we weren't in Nashville by then, we were in Topeka, Kansas. After we got married I think we lived-- stayed in Nashville a couple of years and then moved to Topeka, Kansas. And-- which was a cute little town, the capital, I think, of Kansas. So we got us a nice little townhouse and I went to the VA, that's when I went to the VA. But after I got outta the VA, maybe before, I went to another little independent lab where it was great. It was a mixture of white and Black people there but we would play cards on our break and it was just a lot of fun. These folks, we did our work, but we had our fun, which is right up my alley. Work and fun go together, so that was quite an experience and I'm pretty sure I was in Nash-- Topeka by that time, 'cause we didn't stay in Nashville that long, but my husband was from Nashville. So his folks were there and all of that. So between the time we were at Meharry and the time we went to Topeka, we got married, and Kwajelyn was born in Topeka, Kansas. So.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2523.0,2722.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nAnd then y'all moved to St. Louis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2722.0,2725.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nThen we moved to St. Louis. Kwajelyn's dad, Michael Jackson, which was a whole 'nother thing. It's a whole 'nother thing. Her dad's name's Michael Jackson. And we moved to-- After-- when we were in Topeka, he was-- the reason we went to Topeka, is he's got a job with Miles Laboratories. And that was the territory that he had, was right around Topeka, Kansas. So after Kwajelyn was born, and he got his territory got moved, we-- no, we didn't go to Kans-- we didn't go to St. Louis after that. We went to Kansas City. We went to Kansas City, on the Kansas side, so we lived in Shawnee Mission, Kansas, but it was right-- there was just a street that separates Missouri, Kansas City and Kansas, Kansas City, so you could be in Kansas City, Kansas, you could be in Kansas City, Missouri, just the street called State Street. You can just cross and you're on the other side. So Kwajelyn was three, two-and-a-half or three when we moved to-- well, maybe she was two, because I was-- when we moved I was pregnant with with my son. So he was born in Shawnee Mission, Kansas, and we stayed there. Kwajelyn went to school there, first and second grade, I believe. We moved from there when Skyler-- Skyler was born there and we-- Skyler was turnin' six when we moved to St. Louis because the territory had moved. And St. Louis was right in the center of the territory. So you know, that meant that you could, you know, go places. And I remember that job allowed us to have a company car, which was great. And so, 'cause he was traveling all over the place by car and plane. So we had the two kids, we moved there June of 1989 to St. Louis. And we had two kids by then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2725.0,2871.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nWhat was motherhood like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2871.0,2874.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nWonderful. It was, it was great. First of all, they had a fantastic father. I mean, he was much more attentive than I had been used to men being. Much more attentive, much more compassionate. Just a great dad all around. He-- I was the, probably the hardest disciplinarian. 'Cause-- and I wish I had been more like him. But you-- I tended to do what I was taught, you know? And he did, I guess, what he was taught, 'cause his family's just absolutely wonderful as well. But he-- if somebody-- if one of them did something wrong, he wanted to explain to them why it was wrong, and why they shouldn't do it. When I was raised up to, you know, \"'cause I said so.\" *laughs* \"That's enough, don't do it. 'Cause I said so, it's not right, don't do it.\" He would sit them down and tell them why it was wrong. He said, \"Well, they need to know. So there's no reason to do it again, if they understand what was wrong in the beginning with that, then they're less likely to do it again, and we don't have to go through this again.\" Which was true, you know, it was very true. So he was just very, such a good father that it really didn't matter what kind of mother I was, but I was *laughing* I think I was great too. You know, I was very compassionate with them. I wasn't a big corporal punisher or anything like that. We did a lot of time outs and those things. So that was very important to us. And they were in all kinds of activities, dance class, sports, all kinds-- just, you know. We were in the car all the time going to things for them. And I think they needed it and they were very receptive to-- well, they were the ones who initiated, \"I wanna do this, I wanna do that, I want--\" you know, so that was good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=2874.0,3016.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nI think I was-- I enjoyed bein' a mother, I really did. My two children were so different. I always tell Kwajelyn that if Skylar had come here first, you never would've seen the light of day. 'Cause he was so different. She was very-- just would sit there until you come and get her and she was just calm, you know, much like she is now, she was just calm. At the crib-- I had the crib for her, she was in there, 'cause she was like, almost three when he was born. She stayed in there so nice. So I would come and get her and come out because she prays or she didn't care. When he got here, by two years old, he's so, tear that crib apart, I want out of this thing, whatever it is. I don't want any parts of it. No, no, ma'am, come and get me now. You know, he was not that-- he was-- And he was very clingy. She was very independent. Kwajelyn was a independent child, she-- her favorite words was, \"What's that? Why? What's that?\" As a little child. \"What's that?\" Very curious. But Skyler wa-- and very independent, you know, you can give her something, she goes off, she's fine. Skyler is clinging. \"Can I go to the bathroom? Please?\" Skylar, 'cause, *laughing* you know, I mean, even as a young preteen, he wanted to be-- he said, Imma live next door to you when I grow up. No, you're not. You're not gon wanna live anywh-- Now I'm tryna get him to live here. He doesn't want any part of that. But that's-- So they were so different. But you know, they were both great. They were both great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3016.0,3126.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI'm curious, what was your relationship or awareness with reproductive rights? You know, I don't think we were using the language reproductive justice in the 70s. That's, you know, few decades earlier. But yeah, what was your kind of awareness, especially, you know, this was after Roe v. Wade had been passed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3126.0,3146.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood\n\nYeah, and curi-- And funny enough, I had-- was not really a big conception of that when I was raisin' my kids when I was-- you know, early in my marriage, or any of that was in the in the forefront. I really didn't get into social justice education until I got to-- where was I-- 'til we were in St. Louis, and I was exposed to an institute called The Dismantling Racism Institute that was put on by the National Conference for Community and Justice. And I was asked to be a participant. I was working-- at the time, I was working at an independent school, I was teaching at an independent school. I had moved from the-- I was tired of doing medical technology, so I wanted to venture out and do other things. And I could get into-- I could teach at this private independent school without havin' a education degree. So I went-- I taught at Crossroads School in St. Louis, private school from-- they went from 7th to 12th grade. I taught Earth and Environmental Science. And I had a class called Fashion History, fashion from the 1800s to the present. I taught that as an elective. I also taught Adolescent Issues. And I taught the choir, I did the choir, and I had a little dance, pom (?) team that I did. So those were the, really the five areas that I was teaching. And you know, I was able to do, I was able to do the Earth and Environmental Science and I loved it. Unlike biology, I loved that piece. So there was a guy who I'd had a project with, he worked at a environmental place where we-- my class did a project for, and he moved from tha-- we collaborated every year while I was teachin' Earth and Environmental Science, on these big projects. So he moved to-- started working at the National Conference for Community and Justice. And he was runnin' the Dismantling Racism Institute, so he-- and he said, Charisse, you should come to this Institute, we can, you know, we'll pay, you know, we'll get your scholarship or whatever. And so I did that. That changed everything. It changed everything. Then, the next-- I think that was in 1998, '97 or '98. In '99, I-- he asked me, \"Would you like to be on staff for the Anytown Youth Leadership Institute?\" which was the high school from 9th to 12th grade students, doing this kind of work. It's called the Anytown Youth Leadership Institute. At that one-- now that one really changed everything, because the Dismantling Racism Institute did racism. But the Anytown Youth Leadership institution did the oppressions, all the oppressions. I-- there's a story there. But anyway, they did all the oppressions which, you know, I realized at Anytown Youth-- at the Dismantling Racism Institute, when anything would come up around gender, or sexual orientation, or ability, they squashed. It's like-- we-- you know, that's why we can't do racism, because we're talking about these other things. Um, in my head, I'm like, they're really connected, we can't just separate our-- the rest of our body from our race. But anyway, it still was very effective, the program was still very effective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3146.0,3410.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nBut when I got to Anytown and was on that staff, I learned so much and the training was so fantastic to, you know, get us ready to be able to take these young people through this process. So my first year, I was just, I was blown away, and I was like, I've got to do more of this, I gotta do more of this, I gotta do more of this. So the next year, I was asked to be a co-director for the Anytown Youth Leadership Institute with one of my fellow staff members who was there the year before, and he and I just connected really well. And we had a great Institute, we had a wonderful-- you know, these are like-- it was just like 30 to 40 young people, all-- with all kinds of identities, you know, that we that we took through this process. And it was-- it ended up being an eight day residential. It's an eight day residential institute for young people. So that was-- I found out what I meant to do in life. That is some of the best work and the most impactful work that I've ever done in my life, you know, up to today. I directed-- and then I moved to work for NCCJ as their program director. So I had co-directors under me and a staff of 25 every summer for two sessions, two eight day residential institutes, dealing with sexism, racism, heterosexism, genderism, classism. We did tho-- we explored those extensively. Although we brought in ability, we brought in lookism, we brought in a whole lot of the other isms because they all operate the same, you know, they show up differently, but they all operate the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3410.0,3537.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nSo, you know, it was the best times of my life, doing those two institutes. It takes a year to get ready for both of them. But those two, that Anytown Youth Leadership, there's nothing like it. And my son went through it as a-- we call them delegates. And I cannot imagine the person he would be if he had not gone through that process. Kwajelyn missed it by a year but she got it by osmosis 'cause that's where she-- her brother and I've talked about it for-- So he got to be on staff and he came out, actually, you know, when he was doing-- on staff for the Anytown Youth Leadership Institute. It was a very inclusive-- I don't even know how to explain it but, the people who got off the bus, those young people that got off the bus on day one, were not the same people that got on the bus on day eight, went to go home, just a whole new lens. And what I would tell them as the director, is that, when you get into positions of power, which you will, you will be looking from another le-- you will be looking from an anti-oppression lens at all of your policies, your procedures, your practices, and you will not operate under these oppressive systems because you know better. I mean, and they-- those was kids was just really upset that they didn't know this before. I was like, That's alright, I'm just learnin' it, you know, it's just gotten to me after-- I'm 40 years old, so you know, you're good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3537.0,3643.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nSo, the only issue I had with it, which I was working on before I left, is that they go back to-- they may go back to the oppressor. And these folks don't know, you know, you can go-- if you're-- if they were gay or transgender, they go back home, the parents could be the oppressor, you know, and they have all this knowledge. And I just wanted to protect them from everything, even when they went back to school. And the way it was connected to the Dismantling Racism Institute, which I talked about, was that we did Dismantling Racism Institute for educators, those educators would send their students to the Anytown Youth Leadership Institute. And most of the times, since they were still doin' just race, the students come back and know tons more than the adults knew. So with that-- and I could see it, I was like, you know, you're going back and talkin' 'bout, you wanna start a Gay-Straight Alliance and talkin' 'bout LGBT and they was like what, what, what... And so, that wasn't gon' do. So I was like, we are going to have what's called the Inclusion Institute for educators. So before I left, we did an Anytown-like institute for the adults, for the educators. So that when they come-- when the kids come back, you ready, you know, it just doesn't make any sense to keep doing this Dismantling Racism Institute and you're not covering the bases. So I'll say that I directed 15 of those Institutes during my career. We did not do a lot of reproductive justice, however included in sexism, it comes out, it comes out. So that was a significant part of my life. I was there from 2000-- when was 9/11?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3643.0,3764.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\n2001 to 2008. I was at NCCJ the National Conference for Comm-- some-- that-- I'm telling you, that Anytown Youth Leadership Institute is-- what it did for me and for Skyler, we ca-- we'll never be able to repay it. Never ever ever be able to repay it. Because it's gotten all of us where we are now, with these lens that we can see through, to see the world through. And I'm just grateful. I'm grateful for bein' a part of it. Really am.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3764.0,3764.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia \u0026 Ashby  \n\n2001.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3764.0,3801.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nYeah. Just wondering, what was the scope of that work? I mean, I know you started that in St. Louis, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3801.0,3807.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nMhmm, mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3807.0,3807.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nWas it still St. Louis based or did y'all reach--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139#t=3807.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276139/transcript/94382/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nWell, NCCJ at that time was a federation. So it was national. We-- in St. Louis, I'll say this wi-- had the best Anytown. No one's was eight days and no one's was as comprehensive as ours were. We took a lotta time, a lotta effort to really-- and we were in the process, when the federation broke apart, of standardizing and I was on the committee to help them standardize the Anytown Institute 'cause if you go to Tucson, it looks different from if you come to Atlanta. They had it in Atlanta, it looks different. So, you know, it was all over the country, but it looked different. It was the same basic thing. But it looked different. Some of them were more camp-like. They used to call ours a camp. We're like, you know, we're not a camp, even though we're out in the woods, we had, you know-- at a retreat center, that kind of thing. It was camp-like in the environmental piece, but it was content loaded. So-- and we had a good time, we had night activities and I love workin' with young people because they just absorb like a sponge and when they're interested in something, you can't stop 'em. You cannot stop 'em. That was one of our songs when we were getting ready to get on the bus, Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now. We'd play that and, this is one of my favorite memories of the Anytown Youth Leadership Institute was, on Thursday nights-- this institute ran from Sunday to Sunday. So on Thursday night, stuff has started to just get real. I put on some fatigues. And I go out, and I don't ever really prepare for it, know what I'm gonna say to 'em 'cause groups are different. And give some sort of talk to them about what-- where we are now, what we've done, what kinda work we've done together. And you know, how are you feelin' and I would give some sorta talk every night, but this-- Thursday night was special. And then we would-- they would be in a circle, and I put on the music when I got through with my talk, whatever it was, I'm gon' stay on the battlefield. Silence. I'm gon' stay on the battlefield 'til I die. Then there was a-- on Friday morning, there was a switch, everybody is on the battlefield. We still do it, you know, I'm still connected with them. And you know, I seen that you're still on the battlefield. You know, they just know it. We on the battlefield, for justice. Sweet Honey in the Rock. Every Thursday night at Anytown. It's a Sweet Honey in the Rock, Stay on the Battlefield night. *sharp sigh* Emotional battle, 'cause it was the best. That Thursday night. It was good. They-- it was good. 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So I had sex educators on my team that would go out and do programs. We had a-- what's called a Boys to Men Program, and we had some general sex ed programs. We did some-- we would do HIV awareness, you know, type of education. Any kinda education that people actually wanted around sexuality and sex education we would provide under my department. I also have, which I love to this day, as well, a program for young people called TASH. T-A-S-H. Teen Advocates for Sexual Health, that came every Wednesday, every Wednesday night, we, you know, got pizza and all kinds of things. And they would-- these are teenagers. And they would come and talk about about sexual health. We would do sex education and it was student-led. So they would pick the topics that they wanted to talk about and have some learning around. And we would facilitate that learning on Wednesday, and I can't remember if every Wednesday, I think it was every Wednesday, but they loved it. You know, they got educated and they were ambassadors for us at Planned Parenthood. You know, they had condoms they would give out and you know, they were just-- and we did sexual-- we did healthy relationships and all kinds of topics. We did-- I did do a mini anti-oppression training with them. Some of them-- I was-- the way I was connected with this Planned Parenthood before I got there was, the program director for the TASH program would send me applications to Anytown. She-- I would contact her and say Judy, we have Anytown applications are gettin' ready to go out, you get any TASH folks that want to apply? So that was a small connection that I had with Planned Parenthood while I was still at NCCJ. Oh, Judy and the TASH team were under my department and we would--obviously I loved to work with teens. So I was thrilled to have them in my department. And you know, we took them to Planned Parenthood conferences, 'cause there was always a team element to it. So we went-- we would go to those things. We had folks that you know, were out in the communities and go table or something with us. But that was a great part of my department, was the team work that we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=4.0,181.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nWe developed, while we were there-- Planned Parenthood had a program called Real Life, Real Talk, where we did programs with parents. So we-- there was a-- it was written out, I can't remember who actually came up with it. We kinda made it our own, and did those workshops for parents, and sorta-- because a lot of parents that we would see can't even say the word vagina out loud. You know, they're not even used to saying any of the things they need to talk to their children about. Because that was the objective, was to get them to be able to communicate with their children around sex and sexuality. And give them some tools to be able to talk about sex with their children. So that was a really nice program that I'm proud to say we were a part of presenting. We also received the Diversity Award from the Federatio-- National Planned Parenthood. Can't remember which year it was, but we were really pleased about that, because that was something new that was-- that had been brought into the Planned Parenthood St. Louis in Southwest Missouri. But my main function, one of my main functions other than running that department, was to do cultural competency with everybody who worked for Planned Parenthood St. Louis, Southwest Missouri. So my charge was to, when there are new people coming in, we would do-- I think we would get maybe 15 new people at a time before we would have a new staff orientation. So all of the VPs would have a section to come in to talk to the new staff and orient them but my section was-- their section would probably be an hour or so. My section was four hours. I wanted-- 'course I wanted more, but you know, gotta work within the system sometimes. And so those four hours, I would do a, what's called the matrix of oppression and sorta go through, you know, the ins and what this looks like, what that looks like, and maybe do one experiential exercise, 'cause that's what Anytown was, all experiential exercises. So I tried to bring a little bit in, of that, into the new staff orientation. And what would happen at the new staff orientations would be that there would be some people-- all of the people who were there before I got there, needed this training as well. So two or three people would sign up from the general Planned Parenthood staff to come. So everybody-- because the goal was to get everybody trained, you know, on the same page and, and knowing something about anti-oppression, and how it's show-- the part of this training, this cultural competence training that was most important is when we're looking at racism, or we're looking at ability, and we're looking at lookism, how is it showing up at Planned Parenthood? And so they had to think, how is this showing up here? And what are we gonna do about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=181.0,483.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nSo we-- I wanted to-- I got in a little bit of trouble because the CEO and them, \"Well, I just want us to get along\" kinda, you know, it was very difficult to not have the full backing, you know, how-- I just wanted to say we doin' diversity. And, you know, because one time I talked about the holidays, and how, if we look at how we're do-- because religionism was also a part of the matrix, how we're doing with our Christian holidays, as opposed to everybody else, we're off all the Christian holidays. That's how oppression shows up sometimes, is we have the privilege to be off, and people-- And so we would look at-- I had one of our calendars, which, we were doin' it, you know, we wert off, you know. I said, But, how can we do this where people could be off-- we could have flexible holidays? There are ways to get around this, you know, and the management was like-- upper management was like, you can't go in there and talk about us. You know, concrete impact, you know, it can be general, but it can't be, you can't show that we're really not doing-- you know, so that was upsetting for me because this is something-- this is not unique to-- you're not, you know, I'm not tellin' on you-- you're not the only one, almost everybody is doing this, you know, we could be changing, we could be in the forefront. But anyway, those were the type of trainings that I was doing with them. You know, just, we need to shed a light, you need to think about how-- we don't wanna do the then and there-- over there, they're doing that, over there, they're doing that, we wanna do the now-- what's happening in the now, right here, in the here and now. So they were very effective, I think. And then I had to go to southwest Missouri and do them because that was a part of our region as well. So it's a lot of work. I enjoyed that-- that's what I love to do, though. So I was in it. I was in it. But it's a different kind of place from an independent clinic that I'm fo-- I didn't know because I never worked-- until I got to Feminist Center-- independent clinic. Quite different, you know,  it's a huge federation. And, they get a lot of money, as quiet as it's kept and independent places don't, but we gettin' there. We gettin' there. We getting' there. But as an experience, it was great because I had not had that-- had not been exposed directly into reproductive wo-- justice or reproductive rights role.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=483.0,525.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood\n\nThen while I was there, I got to go to Chicago to an event that I wanna say SisterSong was was doing in Chicago, and I got a chance to go, and Loretta Ross was there. I probably don't need to say more. But you know-- and was talking to the group. And that was really the first time I actually had been exposed to Loretta Ross and the concept of reproductive justice and all of that, that's where it started. You know, I got a chance to meet her. We had some sessions where she was, you know, really talkin' to us about reproductive justice. And so I brought that back to Planned Parenthood, which was mildly-- you know, it's like, okay... they didn't-- it was just on the forefront because you know, we were-- What was that, 2000, maybe 9, 8, 9, maybe 10, maybe 2010. But the board, there was several Black women on the board who were very supportive of the reproductive justice concepts. And I worked with them to try to get-- really infused that into the system of Planned Parenthood. I think that it would have taken them-- I did not see it through because I left in 2012, 2013. And, you know, we were just really gettin' into it, but they were-- there's-- there were a lot of barriers to cross, you know, just in being a VP. So I had to pick my battles, so to speak. I was a very staunch observer of a lotta classism. You know, there's lots of, these people are really special because they have money and we gonna, you know, massage them, and we're gonna do this for them, and they can get this kinda gift and they can get-- and I, you know, I would bring it up. They'd be like, I don't like that, you know, that-- I would bring it up like, this is-- What about people who really wanna belong to this, but they can't pay $1,000 for the-- you know, they could pay 200 maybe, but, and we don't wanna have tiers of p-- You know, it was-- I was bringing things out that, you know, were very hard, I guess for them to hear, you know, I did not leave really because I wanted to leave, I left because I had a new-- I got divorced in '97. From 20 years, I been married 20 years. Still love my ex-husband, he was fantastic. But we knew we were not supposed to be together. He stayed, you know, after all-- through the divorce proceedings, he lived at home with us. You know, it was just a very amenable, very civil divorce. And you know, he came back and cut the grass and stuff. It was great. It was great. It was great. He died in 2005.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=525.0,747.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nAnd so, back to Planned Parenthood. I was dating another guy at the time, who I'm married to now. And he was retiring. And I always wanted to move back home. He's from Georgia. That's a whole 'nother story that I wouldn't want to get into, just because I used to go to clubs all the time after-- before and after divorce, but I met him at the club. And we were sitting at the bar and he said, \"Where you from?\" And I said, \"I'm from a little town outside of Atlanta.\" He said, \"me too.\" I said, \"Where?\" He said \"Macon, Georgia, you probably hadn't heard--\" I said, \"I'm from Macon, too.\" And the rest is history. I mean, we didn't know each other, but we both from Macon, met in St. Louis. You know, it was just-- it was amazing. So we got marri-- he was retiring from Procter and Gamble and wanted to move home and I was like, I want to move home, too. My father was gettin' older. So we moved in 2013, got married in 2013 on his birthday, and then had a wedding in 2014. *laughs* Went to the courthouse and got married, then had a little ceremony in 2014 and moved to Atlanta. Oh, it was great. I absolutely loved it and still love it. 'Cause I was familiar with it. He was, since we, you know, just lived an hour away from from our hometowns. So, but I said all that to say I didn't-- that was why I left Planned Parenthood, you know, was because I wanted to move back. My dad was still living in Macon and you know, had had a-- you know, he had had a stroke then but he was, you know, older and in his late 80s. So we wanted to move back so we could be closer to family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=747.0,871.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nAnd so I left Planned Parenthood for that reason, and came down, and I was retired actually, for two years after I came down here, '13 and '14. I was a news junkie, sittin' at home. I was like, but this is not gonna work because I still have more to give. And so I started applying for jobs and whatnot. And then I-- And then Kwajelyn started working for Feminist in 2013. And, I think it was 2013. Yeah. And then two years later in '15, she said, You could come and volunteer over-- you know, we don't have any openings, but you can come and volunteer. So I went, I volunteered at Feminist for probably five or six months, maybe longer. And then, you know, a job opening came up for an administrative assistant. So I was like, that's fine. I just wanna be in the mix. I love people. So I wanted to-- I needed to be around folks. So I'm very soc-- I'm very much a socialite, unlike Kwajelyn, but *shared laughter* So I said, yeah, that's great. So I was working with Park, Park Cannon on some stuff, Park was an intern there. So we did some work with-- volunteer work with Park and you know, went to all the events that Feminist was having. And then the opening came up, like I said, for the administrative assistant role. So I got that position. And the funny thing about that position, the young woman who was over that was the facilities person, who was a person who worked for SisterSong before, that I met in Chicago at that Loretta Ross event-- training. It was I think that was a media training. And it was just-- I was like, hey, yes, you know, she did the interview, I was like-- 'cause she drove us around from the hotel to where we were goin' when we were in Chicago. So stuff is just full circle around here, all over the place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=871.0,1005.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nSo I got that position. And it was part-time. So I worked there part-time, sat at the front desk, answered the phones, opened the door, you know let people in, as-- I was sorta the security person, too. So we had a little buzzer, talked to people before I let 'em in and all of those things. So I did that for probably a year or so. And then it got-- then I was like I could do full-time. I'm really here most of the time anyway. So I moved up to a full-time position. And I think they changed the title. The title has changed so many times. But anyway, I kept evolving, until I got to the office manager, sort of office manager and HR 'cause I was doing a lot, in 2019, when-- no, 2020 was-- 2020, we came out for the pandemic, was 2020. The beginning of 2020, I got to have the-- all of the payroll, the HR stuff, all of that came to me, right before we got to-- right before we went into lockdown. I think I started that in February of 2020. In March, we were on lockdown. So I did-- was doin' all of the, you know, payrolls, and I had to learn-- it was on the job trainin' too, because I hadn't had a lot of trainin' in it. But the other person had left who was doin' all of that, right, you know, in February. So, at the same time, you know, I was doing some of the anti-oppression trainings with nurses at Emory. I was still doing some little trainings for them, like a day-long-- I mean, I think that was a two-day-long training I did for the nurses at Emory, or maybe a full day. And then I was do-- we have, at Feminist, the Errin Vuley Fellows. As a part of them, I was doing, each year I would do anti-oppression trainings for them, for that group. And I was also doing-- a group of us wrote the curriculum for the training called Power and Privilege. And we were doing those trainings for the volunteers. So that everybody could-- you have, sort of a different lens of looking-- those were four to six hour trainings that we would do with the volunteers and with the Vuley fellows. So I did get some of my passion met, doing those things. And then one of-- and then we, like I said, we evolved into this-- I evolved into the op-- the HR full-time and all of that. And then the opportunity came for me to jump into the role that I'm in right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1005.0,1005.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1005.0,1188.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nThe interesting part of full circle again, is that the person who had the Director of People and Organizational Culture before me, the Director of People and Organizational Culture, was one of my sex educators from Planned Parenthood, who had moved to Atlanta, contacted me actually, and before she came, this was maybe-- she was something else before she was that, she came in as a community outreach person. And she called and said, let me know if anything comes up, I wanna move to Atlanta. So I-- something came up and I said, you still wanna move to Atlanta, check out this job on the website, blah, blah, blah. She came down, she lived with me for about three months 'til she could find her apartment-- maybe it was a month and a half, might've been two or three months-- anyway, 'til she found an apartment. And she was our community outreach person for a while, then she moved to the Director of People and Organizational Culture. And the interesting thing was that I was her manager in St. Louis, and she was my manager at Feminist, and she's fantastic. She could do-- when I left Planned Parenthood, she could do my anti-oppression stuff for the new staff, she was-- you know, took over that role and was doing all that. So I knew she was, you know, in it, you know, she's in the reproductive world, a lotta sex education. She was fantastic. So we brought her on board. Now she's with ACN (Abortion Care Network) as--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1188.0,1288.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia \u0026 Ashby \n\nMhmm, mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1288.0,1289.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nSo it's just been such a rich way of leadership development, I will say, for Feminist and for me, and for, you know, all of the full circles that-- and Park being-- you know, we campaigned for Park, now Park is in the legislature. So it's just been wonderful. So when I got-- when Cicely left to go to ACN as the Director of People and Organizational Culture for ACN, I really didn't think about doin' this-- doin' her-- It didn't cross my mind until a few people said, \"aren't you gonna--\" 'cause it was-- we put it out-- we always put our job postings internally first, \"aren't you gonna--\" but it was getting toward the end of when the thing-- \"well, ain't you gonna apply?\" I was like, you know, I never thought about it. And whoever was it, was telling me, was like, you are-- this role was built for you, you know, *laughs* so I said, Okay, I'll apply for it. So I did and got it. And it's been fantastic. It has moved me closer to my currency, which is working with the people and culture. And when we went through the organizational transformation process, and we developed our culture manifesto, and our values, and we did our mission and our vision. And a part of the work for me was to help Feminist-- or to actually facilitate the actualization of that. A big responsibility, but I was really excited about that work. With us being Black-led, and throwin' away the white supremacy way of doin' things, the way of leadership, and adoptin' this new system of, we're in charge, and we can take care of ourselves and we can center ourselves and we can center our patients, who look like us and who don't look like us, but we know how to center our patients as patients. So we could-- all of this-- getting to see us develop and lift up this new culture of change that we all came to together, which was another key point. All staff was involved in coming up with these-- all of these values and who we are, who we wanna be what, we want it to look like in 50 years, all of these things we came up with together. So my charge is to see that we do them. And the biggest challenge of that is that we've been so socialized in the old way, that the relearning of doing things that suit us, that satisfy us, that feed us, that center us, is very hard to hold on to. So in that respect, it has to be-- somebody has to be intentional about reminding, and creating an environment so that these things can happen. So I've been mostly working on that in 2023.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1289.0,1510.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood \n\nBecause 2022, I had to replace myself as the office manager doin' all the HR stuff. So, I have-- sometimes have a hard time of letting go of stuff that I-- somebody emails me and say, can you go in there and change, you know, fix my so and so-- that's really not my job anymore. But I'm just-- oh, I can do it real quick. So I had-- and those are the types of things-- but then that's a lot on my plate, when I'm doing somebody else's job and tryna do mine. That's-- I have to also relearn, 'cause I've been socialized a real long time, on doing things another way. So I have to really be intentional, so that I can set an example. You know, of being-- when you're sick, stay home, that's why we got this flexible PTO, we don't do accrued PTO anymore. You need a day, we want you to have it. PTO is not money, it's time. So you need that time, we wanna get enough staff so we have-- everybody's able to take time. You don't have to wonder, do I have PTO, you don't have to wait three months to get it, 'cause something might happen to you tomorrow. And you need your PTO. And if we're centering you and and really supporting each other, then we gonna-- if we can-- anyway possible, we gon' let you have it, we'll worry about what goes on here. So that has been both satisfying and challenging at the same time, 'cause I'm real, you know, we don't want you to work on the weekends when you're off. I'm very-- *groans*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1510.0,1610.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nYou know, and Kwajelyn is such an excellent mentor for me. She has so many great boundaries for us operating together, you know, in this space. Her boundaries are great. I need them. She doesn't wanna talk about work when we're somewhere doing family stuff. 'Cause everything would be, I'm tryna tell her so and so, and so and  so-- can I-- you know, can this happen-- No, we wanna set the example that when you're off, we want you to enjoy your life. This is-- Feminist is there, it's set up to be-- to operate when you're not there, if you need a PTO. It's set up to operate on the weekends when you're off, take your-- you have to-- you have a life to live. And it's not completely Feminist Women's Health Center. And enjoy. What do you enjoy doing? You know, stop doing this work at 7, if you-- take that-- 'cause I had my phone notifications-- when my email came up, they would come up on my phone. And it was a resistance to try to-- take that off your-- you don't need that on your phone. If you really wanna look, you gon' have to set up your computer and look, you know, like it's gonna be a effort. You know, so she has been the most wonderful mentor and example setter. When she's off, she's off, and she's the ED. She's off, she's off. *laughs* So I have learned so much from her in that respect. And I am now doin' that to staff, you know, passin' that on to staff, where, if you need this, let us know. We are here to-- I am here to see that you get the things you need. So you can do what you need to do. That's the real bottom line. So you know, I've been doing that and lovin' this position. It's difficult. I may have to sit in on terminations or interviews or those kinds of things, which is hard, but I have accepted that part of it, you know, that it's gonna be difficult, but the rewards are so great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1610.0,1752.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nSo you know, we did our oral history with Kwajelyn in September, which was shortly after the ban in Georgia kicked in and we know that that then increased capacity for stuff. So what has been the challenges or you know, what has been the experiences, of you know, Roe v. Wade being overturned due to Dobbs V. Jackson?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1752.0,1778.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nThat was some of the-- the hardest week for us. I'm still in disbelief of the nerve and gall to take this big step. I believe when it happened, I had to-- in order not to completely fall apart, had to convince myself that we're gon' just fight 'til we win, which I'm still doing, we're just gon' fight 'til we win. And I had very high hopes for the 2020 election to be different in a way that would affect the decision. And in some ways it did. But it was just-- not the 2020-- the 2022, the 2022 midterms. I was hoping would give us some Stacey Abrams and would give us some, you know, somebody in the legislature that would say, we not doin' this, let's go back, and all of that. The folks who work frontline with patients had a very difficult time. The folks who answered the phones, were getting-- they had to deliver all this bad news to folks who we were seeing on a daily basis, you know. And before th-- when the national ban came, and before the six weeks for Georgia came, we were swamped with folks from Texas and Alabama and Louisiana, and all of the places. And to go from that, to six weeks was a-- just-- and it was a-- for the people who make appointments, it was a-- just an overwhelming shift from one overwhelming position to another overwhelming position, a position of not having the capacity to take everybody who calls to not bein' able to serve the people who actually call. So we were fortunate in the fact that the day the ban happened was not an abortion day, because some clinics were right in the middle. If you were in the waiting room, you have to go home now, you know, but we didn't have to do that. But we still were getting patients who we had to turn away, you know, after the fact. And sometimes, and plenty of times now, who, you know, may think they're six weeks, and then they're over. So you know, it's challenging for folks on the frontline. It's getting better, however, because people who wanna make these appointments are understanding the law better now. So they are-- they know, you know, to come in early, where they could wait, you know, and-- you know, make some-- you know, see if I wanna actually do this or I got another two weeks and I've got this thing coming up, they could wait. Now they know they have to come right on in, I think. So we're doin' much better now with bein' able to serve folks who call.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1778.0,1991.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nThe other great thing I think that it has allowed us to do-- one of the silver linings, is that it has allowed us to expand our services. Because there are people out there who need other reproductive services other than abortion. So we're able to, you know, expand our service, colposcopies, and you know, those kinds of things, and we're still moving toward even more services. So our patient base could still be our patient base, you know, you may come-- they may come in for six weeks, but we can do-- when you could go home, you can remember that we do other things that you can come and have a great experience and have staff that look like you and are centering you. So, I'm very excited about that. And the staff is very excited about bein' able to serve because they are very service-oriented. We are trying to, you know, incorporate people with good fit for us. So that was-- I've been doing interviews with all of the-- not interviews, I would call them meetings, with all of the managers and supervisors. And one of the questions I would ask them is, what, from lookin' back at last year, what was one of your most challenging parts? And many of them said at the six week ban, and I will say well, my next question would be, do you still have those challenges? And they may have had several more. But with that they say, it's much-- it's getting much better now. Because we're able to communicate with our patients better about the law, about, you know what's goin' on, where they can go, we've got resources. If we can't serve them, we know where they can go, we got money, you know, all of those things are fallin' into place, that *clapping for emphasis* they're not gonna stop us from serving patients. And doin' what we can. So we are-- we're looking up. And our numbers have gone up, because people are just startin' to call at the right time, everything is sort of fallin' into place, but we still gon' fight 'till we win. 'Cause we need to get back to where we were. Roe needs to be the floor, not the ceilin'. We need to do more than Roe. So hopefully in the next-- hopefully with the next hearing, we can get somethin' done because their appeal is coming up on-- next week or next month or so. And I'm always hopeful. I'm always optimistic. I'm always-- you know, that things are gonna turn around. But I do know we're gon' fight 'till we win. That's just the bottom line. We're not givin' up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=1991.0,2149.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nYeah, and so leadin' us at our last question quite perfectly. We're gon' fight 'til we win. What does winning look like? What is the end goal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2149.0,2157.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nThe end goal? I'll go back to this statement. It's that Roe is the floor. We wanna be able to do reproductive services, reproductive justice for anybody who needs it. We need to be able to do telehealth, we need to be able to do any and all things that's in our capacity to do, abortion services, serve youth, do menopause services, all kinds of things that are-- that you wouldn't think was in our scope right now, but we wanna be able to do but we first wanna win, we first wanna win where Roe is the floor. That's what we wanna-- that's the least winning we want, is Roe as the floor. And we have, you know, put in place-- we have people at the Capitol, you know, workin' with legislatures and lobbying and all those kindsa things. We have organizers that are really passionate about this, we have connections with other organizations that, you know, or in the movement that-- 'cause we're all-- when we get together, the movement is big. So we collaborate with those folks who are on the same mission. And we're in it. We're in it. And I think we're takin' some leadership of it as well. I mean, I think Kwajelyn's been all over the place, you know, talking and raising awareness and doin' all of the outreach that she can do. And, you know, we're holdin' down the fort in the actual clinic. And, so that she can do-- we can free her up to do the things she needs to do outside of the clinic. And we're just waiting for our opportunity to jump in there and get it done. We're waiting for that. But we're workin' in the meantime, we're workin' in the meantime.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2157.0,2185.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nI have one more question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2185.0,2288.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood\n\nOkay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2288.0,2290.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nI know that you and Kwajelyn have good boundaries at work, and this is not even really a work question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2290.0,2296.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nOkay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2296.0,2297.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nBut how does it feel like coming back into like the social justice work that you wanted to-- that you have been doing, that you love so much, coming back from retirement, and doing this work with your child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2297.0,2315.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood\n\nSo proud of her. I mean, it's the ultimate-- actually Kwajelyn and I, before I moved here, and she was not-- she may-- this may have been maybe 2011 or so, we talked about opening a nonprofit together called Changing Phases, like the moon changes phases, kind of, and how we would like to work together and do art and do the manifestation of art expresses in social justice, sort of, or somethin' along those lines, with phases, you know, shown by art and all those things-- we had not solidified it, but we knew, you know, the ba-- we knew we wanted to work together at some point. And I was excited about that. I didn't know how it was gon' show up or if it was gon' show up. And it really hasn't shown up in that respect, but it has shown up in the fact that we can work well together doin' social justice work. I love it most of the time, *laughs* some of the time. Because we do not agree on everything, let's be clear. I do think though, that her insight around this is better than mine. So I-- if we disagree on something, I'm very open to listenin' to what she has to say, because I know she has a depth of knowledge around this particular concept more than me. So I'm learning a lot from her around a lot of different things, which is different, you know, because parents are always teaching the children things, you know, which I have taught her, I'm sure some things, but it's-- the script has been flipped, and I am learning a lot of things from her. How to operate in this type of situation, with mother/daughter, kind of, those boundaries I was tellin' you about, have been great. She's very-- she can very much put me as a co-worker, when we're at work, she can treat me like a co-worker, which is-- yeah, I don't have that same skill. *laughs* But I'm very much learnin' how she does it and observin' how she does it. But it's been great. I mean, I can't think of a person who I love more. So *laughs* you know, it's just like, if you say that's good, I trust you. I raised you. I know you've thought about it, I know you-- You are such a fair and compassionate person. I know you've thought this through. And I trust you. She can be-- she's one of the fairest people I know. And she didn't get that from me. I mean, I'm fair, but she is fair. *shared laughter* I mean, she-- when she centers something, it's centered. She is not gonna forget that she's-- she has taken on the part of unlearning the white supremacist way and adopting the Black feminist theory in a whole-- I mean, it's effortless for her right now. Where I'm still takin' the steps to get there. 'Cause I was-- you know, she's seeped in it, and she knows her stuff. So as a person who's working closely with her, I'm learning a lot. I am proud, every day, every day, every day, I'm proud of her for bein' the woman she is right now, she's amazing in my eyes, amazing. And apparently to a few other people she's amazing, *laughs* so I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. And my mother would just be-- Ooooh! You just don't know, my mother would be so-- she was amazed with her anyway, before she died. She was amazed with her anyway. Both of my children have been the light of my life. My son is a social justice educator, even though he's a psychologist, but he's-- you know, he did his thesis and doctorate work in stigma around LGBT-- or LGB folks. You know, it's just-- it's in our blood right now. It's in our blood. It's in our blood. So yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2315.0,2641.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nThank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2641.0,2643.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood  \n\nThank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2643.0,2643.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nThank you so much for your time and for your wonderful wisdom and stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2643.0,2647.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charisse Jackson-Youngblood","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2647.0,2647.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/transcript/94383/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=2647.0,2649.47374"}]},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/index/89605","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Charisse Jackson Youngblood: “We’re just ‘gon fight ‘till we win” 07-30-2025 14:49 [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/index/89605/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Work at Planned Parenthood","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140#t=3.0,871.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150122/file/276140/index/89605/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C. 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