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My name is Dartricia Rollins and I'm here with Ashby Combahee. We're interviewing Quita Tinsley-Peterson for Georgia Dusk: A Southern Liberation Oral History Project. Today is January 26, 2023. And we're conducting this oral history virtually via Zoom. Quita is in California, and Ashby and I are in Tennessee at the Highlander Center. You've been asked to participate in Georgia Dusk: an Oral History, conducted by Ashby Combahee and Dartricia Rollins. The project is partnered with the Spelman College Archives, a component of the Women's Research and Resource Center founded by iconic Black feminist Dr. Beverly Guy-Sheftall, and which serves to document the experiences of contemporary Black feminist scholars activist and cultural workers. The purpose of Georgia Dusk is to gather and preserve firsthand narratives of organizers and cultural workers who have a connection to Georgia and who are part of the Southern Freedom Movement. The oral history interviews provide elements of history that are often not apparent in traditional archival documents or dominant media. The interviews enable participants to reclaim the narrative and historical representation of liberation movements throughout Georgia. When used with other research materials, the oral histories provide-- help to provide a more holistic view of history. Quita, can you please introduce yourself by saying your name, pronouns, age, and your work in the field of reproductive justice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=7.0,103.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nSo, hi, I'm Quita Tinsley-Peterson. I use they/them pronouns. I am 32 years old, until Monday, when I turn 33. And I'm in the reproductive justice movement now as a consultant. So I just kinda float between organizations, supporting them and strengthening their strategies and amplifying their work in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=103.0,133.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nWow, love it. Thank you. Okay. And so our first question is a grounding question, which is, who do you dedicate your oral history to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=133.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley \n\nGosh, ah! Sorry, screaming. I dedicate it to, I think the Black women and femmes in my family, who have taught me a lot about what it means to show up in this world as a Black person, how to resist and also what it looks like to continue living on. And I also dedicate it to my wife, who shows me what it looks like to become politicized and radicalized every day and like, what it looks like to be open to learning new things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=144.0,182.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nMmmm. Thank you so much. Okay, and so we will start at the beginning, which is, where and when were you born? And where were you raised and who raised you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=182.0,200.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nI was born in Dublin, Georgia. Fairview Park Hospital. I was raised in Allentown, Georgia, by my mom. Well, I guess, by both of my parents until my dad died in-- when I was four. So I grew up most of my life being raised by my mom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=200.0,223.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nThank you. And what was it like being raised in Allentown, Georgia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=223.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley\n\nIt's funny. Like, I grew up in a very, very, very small town. It's like, I think the 2010 census data said the population is like 200 people. And, yeah, it's very rural, very small town. Very-- I think now, I understand that it's very conservative. Back then I didn't know-- like, this is just how people are, very traditional Christian values. Also, like racial tensions, and like the culture around race is like very prevalent, like, I grew up understanding that white people treat Black people differently. And also like, understanding that often it looks like white or-- Black people work for white people. And also recognizing my mom was very adamant that like, she didn't want me cooking and cleaning for white people. She didn't want me being in kind of this like subservient role to white people. But also she was worried about the fact that I was making friends with all these white kids at school. *laughs* So, yeah, just like having these very interesting messages about relationshi-- or like, community relationships between white people and Black people and recognizing the generation divide. My mom was almost 40, when she had me, she was born in '51. And I was born in '90. *laughs* Just like-- we grew up in completely different eras, and she predominantly grew up in the same place that I grew up, and so-- but her experience of her home that she loves so much, is very different than me who-- I felt constrained in a lot of ways as like a young, queer person who understood my queerness very early in my life, who also grew up-- I grew up Southern Baptist, but also started to feel very conflicted about who I understood myself to be in the world and what my religion was teaching me. And also, I just did not understand these things around gender politics, around boys could do things and girls couldn't *laughing* do things and yeah, and I questioned that. I also questioned adults a lot, which, you should not do that apparently. *laughs* Children should just accept whatever adults tell them. I think that was also the hard part about religion. It's like, to question God is blasphemous. So like, I've always just been a very, like curious person who questioned a lot of things, but grew up in an environment where that wasn't fostered at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=224.0,382.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nYou mentioned, Quita, that your your mom grew up in a area near you and so I'm curious, what did your extended family look like? Did most of them live near you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=382.0,407.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nA lot of my like, closest family members actually didn't. Like my aunt had moved away to South Carolina with her husband, her son, my cousin lived near Atlanta. The elders in my family, a lot of them had passed away. So like my grandmother died when I was five. My great-grandfather died a few years after that. I think it was like that piece around, when my mother had me, impacted how I grew up. *laughs* 'Cause it's like I'm growing up, but a lot of the elders in my life are dying because they're 80, 90 years old. But then there was also things like, random tragedy, like my dad passed in his 40s. So very early. So yeah, I didn't grow up around a lot of my own biological family. There was extended family, but my mom was kinda someone who made it clear that like, she was my family, my aunt was my family, and my cousin was my family. But those people didn't live close to us at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=407.0,468.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMmmm. And so I'm curious about, what was your community like, since you didn't have a lot of family near you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=468.0,483.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah, so I grew up with folks who kinda were like siblings and cousins, even though we weren't actually blood-related at all or biologically related. But like, we-- where I grew up there's like, a field in between my house and our neighbor's house. And there, Miss June, she was like my grandmother, all of her grandkids were kinda like my cousins. Like we all grew up together, we started school together, we went to church together. Until-- and like, in rural places, county lines dictate a lot. *laughs* So we started school together. But then people got real serious about the county lines at some point in our early childhood, and so we ended up being split into three different schools. I stayed in my same school system, but my other two friends, they went to different school systems. So I think that kinda like made me kinda feel very lonely 'cause the people I grew up with closest, we were no longer going to school together. Also, I cried my first day of kindergarten, because I grew up with a child-- like my-- she was like my grandmother, but she was like my babysitter. I was the only child in her care, from the time I was 10 months to the time I started kindergarten, so I wasn't used to being around kids outside of church or what I was hanging out around, like home, and so being in a schoolhouse full of strangers was jarring. And then a few years, or like a year or two later, my friends who I grew up with were no longer going to school with me. So I learned how to make friends. But then there's also again kinda this like, loneliness, because where I lived was far out on the county line. So the kids I went to school with weren't close to me when I was out of school. And then when I was in school, *laughing* the people that I lived close with weren't near me, just like small town problems, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=483.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah. What is a significant memory that you have from your childhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=600.0,610.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley \n\nGosh, significant memory. I think sitting on porches, like porching *laughing* is a big thing where I grew up, so like sitting on my grandmother's porch, I remember doing that a lot. Sitting on Miss June's porch. We did that a lot. My mom wasn't someone who sat on her porch a lot, but whenever we had company, we would use our porch, so I really loved *laughing* when people would come over, so we could sit out on the porch and talk, and I just loved that. I loved being outside. Sitting in like-- sitting out in the sun and just being outside and feeling the fresh air like, yeah, loved that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=610.0,653.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nWhat was taking place on those porches?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=653.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nA lot of talking, laughing, gossiping, gosh, the goss-- oh, my, small town gossip like *laughing* runs the town, the community, a lot of that. Yeah, and just like having a good time. Like, yeah. Laughing, talking. I don't know. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=656.0,677.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=677.0,679.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nThat's such a Southern way to commune with each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=679.0,682.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nRight? Yeah, and it's like-- it would be-- it's such a small town like on Miss June's porch, it like-- you could see it, like a major highway runs Allentown-- or not a major highway, but a pretty significant highway runs through Allentown. And so a lotta people when they're commuting between towns or like driving through Allentown. And Miss June's porch, you can see it from the road. And so people would sometimes just be driving by and see us sitting on the porch and would like, come back and *laughing* hang out and talk to us. Like yeah, I love that. I love that, like small community vibe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=682.0,718.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=718.0,719.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI'm curious, you know, coming from such a tight knit community, but having extended family beyond like, what was your relationship to other people outside of Allentown? And then I'm curious too, like, this Blackness, this Black identity, and your mom being very cognizant of, like, I want you to be raised, like within the Black identity. So tell me what-- how that was shaped throughout your childhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=719.0,747.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah. My mother is a very interesting person who I'm learning that I'm a lot alike in therapy, but my mom is also-- she's, I'm realizing, anxious. So my cousin lived near Atlanta, which was-- is a big city to her. So she's very afraid of Atlanta, we did not go there often. Like, I went to Atlanta more on school field trips than I did with my family, even though my cousin lived, like 30 minutes [unclear] Atlanta. And my aunt lived in South Carolina. But she also lived in a very rural, like city outside of Hilton Head. And so we often didn't go there either. It's like most times my family was traveling to Allentown to be with us. Like that's how we spent time together. And so I really loved going away from home, like I loved when I went on a school field trips, *laughs* when I went to go visit my family. Like I loved seeing places outside of Allentown. I think the identity of Blackness-- and like, it was clearly there, or I feel like, I was like taught a lot of messages around Blackness, but also my mother wasn't like politicized in a certain way. So I felt like I also received a lot of conflicting and confusing messages about Blackness. And so it's like, you know, wanting me not to have these jobs where I'm in like a domestic care worker role for white people, but also, my mother, not understanding why I would wanna pursue like education in a big city, or far away from home at like a big institution. And so, also not understanding like, the-- a lotta people work in like healthcare, or customer service, or, like the warehouse industry where I grew up. And so my mom understood like, these are jobs that people work and like, you could make a good stable living like, why do you wanna go to Atlanta to go to school to do some job? I don't even know what you would do. Right? And like that, for her felt very scary. *laughs* And so-- but I was like, fascinated, like, I'm like, No, I wanted to go, like maybe, to like New York or something. Or at one point, I wanted to go to Harvard. I don't know why. Because-- or, I do know why. You see it on TV, right? It's an ivy, it's prestigious, it's important. And I would say that in my family, and my mom was just like, No, that's too far away from home. And-- but I think I always wanted to be far away from home. I'm like, this place is too small, this place-- I felt like I couldn't be myself there in a lotta ways and also feeling like, you couldn't be Black and gay, like, or at least not open about it. Like, my mom's best friend was a gay man who wasn't out, but everybody knew he was gay. And I didn't wanna live that way. I didn't wanna live in the house with my mom for the rest of my life, and never get married because I was gay, but I couldn't live out my identity fully. Yeah, I just-- I feel like there are a lotta ways to be Black. But where I grew up, there are very clear roles that Black women in particular, could play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=747.0,865.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nYou said you realized your queer identity pretty early on. What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=865.0,956.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nI had a mental breakdown in middle school, 'cause I couldn't reconcile in my little teenage brain, how I can be Christian and I could be gay. So of course, I went full throttle. I'm Christian *laughs* I was like, yeah, very depressed. Like had suicidal ideations, 'cause I knew I was queer. Like, I was very clear on that, but didn't feel like I could talk to anybody about it, felt like I was a bad Christian, like, I would go to hell. And so yeah, I just like, dove deeper into religion, 'cause that felt like the safe thing to do, or the right thing to do. Yeah, and then, in high school, I think I was like-- my junior or senior year, I started realizing like, when we go to college, or when we graduate, I could move away and never see these people again. I kinda don't care anymore. You know? And like, I think, also, I started to figure out, I could be one person at school and one person at home because how far home was from school. And so, yeah, I would sometimes like sneak clothes and change at school because I would wear what I wanted to wear, or, yeah, I started coming out to my friends in school. Because I felt like, you know, I'm never gonna see these people. It doesn't matter. They're not gonna talk to my mom, I can be myself here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=956.0,1047.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nWhat was like, peers' reaction to being queer? I mean, did you have a queer community as an adolescent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1047.0,1055.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nThe first person I came out to was my boyfriend, in like ninth grade, I tried it out. And I was like, I think I'm bisexual. And then he was like, \"You're too good of a kisser to be bisexual.\" I don't-- the correlation, don't get it. But you know, that was his thought process. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna shut up about this. I'm not gonna say anything. And then it was like, junior or senior year, I just started being like, Yeah, I think I'm like, bisexual, like, I just started kinda saying it. And then all the-- like, other girls would sneak and be like, \"Oh, do you like gir--\" right? And it's like, there wasn't like, you know, an open queer community, but like, other girls would be curious about, like, \"What's it like to kiss another girl? Oh, do you like girl--\" \"I think I like girls, too!\" and so, yeah, like those kinda like secret conversations. But I really didn't like, fully come out or find queer community until I went to college and went to Atlanta. It's like-- and even in my first year of college, it was like, I was afraid to tell people that I wasn't straight, which I don't get. I'm like, I'm in Atlanta. I don't know any of these people. I can just like, tell them, but it wasn't until like almost the end of my first year of college, and I knew I was transferring out, that I started telling people that I was bisexual, which was so, yeah, interesting. And then when I went to Georgia State, I started to find queer community there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1055.0,1147.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nWas Georgia State the undergrad program that you transferred to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1147.0,1152.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley \n\nYeah, I started at Oglethorpe University, and then I transferred to Georgia State.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1152.0,1158.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nWhat was that process of choosing Oglethorpe? And then, I'm curious why was Georgia State the better fit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1158.0,1166.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYou know, it's funny, I chose Oglethorpe because I got a pamphlet in the mail. And it seemed like cute and it kinda looked like Hogwarts. *laughs* At the time, I was really interested in like biopsychology, like I was really interested in the brain, but I didn't want to study like-- I didn't wanna be like a neurosurgeon or like a actual like, medical professional. So I thought it was really cool to like study the brain and behavior, like have a science component to it. And Oglethorpe had a biopsychology program. And then-- but like two weeks before I started college, I reached out to my suitemates. And one of my suitemates, her-- she had selected the program of communications and rhetoric, 'cause she wanted to do public relations. And also, again, very influenced by media. Samantha on Sex in the City did PR work. And I just did not know it was like a real job. Like you could actually study something to do PR work. And so when she told me that I was like, Oh my gosh, like what? I could actually do this. *laughs So, I switched my major to communications and rhetoric shortly after I got to Oglethorpe. And I think Oglethorpe was cute, but it felt a lot like some of the things I didn't love about being at home. It was very small. I thought I was gonna be in Atlanta, Oglethorpe is very much in Brookhaven. It's like-- we called it the Ogle-bubble like, it's its own little haven, like it's its own thing. And so I went to go visit a friend of mine at Georgia State and realized that Georgia State's campus was literally in the middle of downtown Atlanta. I was like, oh, I wanna be here. *laughs* There were way more Black people at Georgia State than there was at Oglethorpe. And also Oglethorpe was private. And so I took on debt my first year of school to be able to attend the university but knew if I transferred out to Georgia State, the Hope Scholarship would cover my tuition and so I wouldn't have to take on debt in the same way. And so yeah, I transferred over to Georgia State and Georgia State had-- their program was journalism with a concentration in public relations. So it was like a clearer degree of like, what you wanted to study and do versus the communications and rhetoric degree from Oglethorpe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1166.0,1317.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd what was that transition like, into Georgia State and into now being in the city of Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1317.0,1326.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah, it was a lot to figure out, as like a 18, slash, 19-year-old who had no understanding of like, college. lLike, I was like, the first person in my immediate family to go to school, like no one, none of the adults in my life were really helping me navigate like, the paperwork, the housing. So it's like, when I was at Oglethorpe, I stayed on campus, but Georgia State was predominantly a commuter school at the time, most students weren't living on campus. And so I had to figure out where the fuck I would live like, *laughs* I had to get an apartment for the first time, and like, yeah, like figure out all these things and-- but I'm like, they're very overwhelming. But also at the same time, I was just like, I wanna go here. I'm gonna figure it out. I'm gonna do it. So yeah, I like, figured it out, made it work. And I really loved the transition because it really felt like I was in like, a completely different environment, like going to school in downtown Atlanta, like walking across downtown Atlanta to get from this building to that building. *laughs* Like, I don't know, being able to like, go on Broad Street and like, get lunch in between classes. And like I lived at-- at the time when I signed my lease, it was called Metro Point Lofts, but it later became-- I think now it's Westmar. You know how it's like, you know, students from Georgia State, Georgia Tech and the AUC all living there together. And like, finding friends on the bus, on the shuttle that we took together to campus and like building little community and finding a friend who like lived down the hall from me, and the girl who lived across the hall from her, like us building our little community together. It was just-- it was a lot of fun. Like, yeah, it definitely, I felt like, my childhood felt very isolated in a lot of ways. But transitioning to Georgia State, I started to learn what it looked like to build my own community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1326.0,1438.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nMhmm. And what was it like building your own community? And like, I know, you said that you like really started to come out, like once you got to Georgia State. And so yeah, what was community like for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1438.0,1452.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah. I would say, well, I joined the Gay-Straight Alliance, it's the alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity, which was predominantly white. And I became the activism chair, and really wanted to like, be politicized and like activate other people to do things. But people in the Alliance really just loved doing the drag shows every semester. Like that was the thing. It's like, we like to have a good time. We have our meetings every week where we build community, that we go out to eat and like, pretty apolitical, and I was very interested in like, how do we like, get educated on the issues happening in our community and do something about it? Outside of The Alliance, like my friends who I was spending a lot of time with at home were actually two straight women. Like, there were two Black straight women who I loved dearly. And I'm still friends with one of them. But like, I was not very-- I think I was out, I think, but I didn't talk about my sexuality a lot. I mostly engaged and dated men at the time. I think it felt easier in a lot-- it felt normal in a lot of ways. And-- but as I got closer to my last year of college, I found Blackout on campus. And they had what I was looking for, it was like, Black queer people who were really interested in not only like, building community around like our Blackness and queerness, but also caring about things that are happening in the world and wanting to get plugged in, and like, changing like, community issues and like, or societal issues. And so I really loved finding Blackout and like, I found SPARK through Blackout like they had-- I think Bianca was the organizer at the-- Bianca Campbell was the organizer at the time, and they had her come on campus and talk to us about reproductive justice, and what SPARK was, and-- when I graduated, I moved to Florida. So I wasn't so involved with SPARK, but I knew I was coming back. And so I reached out to Bianca, and they were like you should apply to our media camp that we host every summer. I was like yeah, like, oh my gosh, I-- yeah, I moved to Orlando, Florida after I graduated college with my ex. I call it the worst year of my life, 'cause it was. I was following somebody and had no real plan or reason to be following them. Other than that I was in a relationship with them. And just did not understand that like, Orlando is very different from Atlanta. There was not a Black queer community. *laughs* It's a very touristy town, it's kinda conservative. It's kinda very anti-Black and racist. Like, I just did not know these things about Orlando. And so it was a very hard year. And so when I knew I was moving back to Atlanta, I was like, Okay, I really wanna get connected with community again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1452.0,1641.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nI have a couple questions in there. But I think the first one is what do you think was like driving you to activism? And not just like, we're building community for the sake of building community, be-- around like our identity, but like, we actually need to change the world around us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1641.0,1660.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYou know, I don't know. I'm like, I don't know if it's like my Aquarius sun that it like, makes me a shit starter, I don't know. But it was like, even as like a teenager, I would want to like-- I'd be like, there's a problem. We need to do something about it. *laughs* Like, I don't know, sometimes it was like, cute and harmless. Sometimes it was like super ill informed. And sometimes it was actually like, it did shit, and so it's like, I-- we had like a Black History Month talk one time, for Black hi-- you know, like the \"Martin Luther King!\" like, nah, nah, nah, Civil Rights Movement, and I had noticed in class just like culturally, a lot of-- in and like through our cafeteria, a lot of times people congregated based on race, like Black kids sat with Black kids, the white kids sat with white kids. There were very few other folks. Like, there was like, one family that was Latinx, there was one family that was Korean, so there were like two Korean kids. They were siblings, two Latinx kids, they were also siblings, right. And so it was like-- they kinda had to pick between the Black kids and the white kids on who they wanted to be friends with. And I was just like, we need to mix it up. We need to make a-- like, you know, come together. So ill-informed. Now I know, I'm like, yeah, there's safety in being amongst people who are like you, right? And not just like hanging out with white people for the sake of hanging out with white people. But also, it's like, in doing that I-- we, or I, or we, whatever-- uncovered that some of the white students were around other white students because they were racists. *laughs* You know, with like, the Black kids, a lot of times, it wasn't a matter of like wanting to separate themselves from white kids, but wanting to be around their friends, their peers, people who understood them. Yeah, so-- but then also, we had a teacher who was like-- came home from war and immediately started teaching right after he had been deployed and like, was doing like weird, fucked up mind games in the classroom. And I organized my classmates and wrote up a petition and he was let go the next school year, right. And so it's like-- I could see like, oh, like, we can like change things. And so when I got to college, I still wanted to do that. Like, we have the power to change things, like when we come together we literally can make things different that don't work for us, if we understand that something's not working for us. And so I kinda realized that, the Alliance-- people are like [unclear], we hang out with each other, we have fun, we eat good food, we throw a drag show, this works for us. But I think also I understood that like outside of our little community circle, the school that we were in, the university that we were at-- or like, university, the city, the state, like there are issues bigger than our little friend group that we have to be mindful of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1660.0,1838.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm. And so what was it like finding Blackout? And like, what kind of, you know, what kind of things were y'all involved in and doing together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1838.0,1848.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nOh, my gosh, I really liked Blackout, because they hosted really good like, panels, and hosted good, like screenings, like having SPARK come out and talk to us about reproductive justice. I remember they hosted a panel in collaboration with another Black student group on campus to talk about like issues within the Black community around queerness, and like, stigma and shame. And I just really loved what they were doing, 'cause they understood that like, yes, we come together, we have fun, but also we need to educate ourselves about the things that are happening. We need to have these conversations that matter to us as individuals and as a community. Yeah, it was so fun. And it's like-- and there were still the pieces around, like, we go out to eat or whatever, like we go out to parties together, like there was that, but it felt deeper and like more meaningful and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1848.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nMhmm. And so after that, you got introduced to SPARK, but then you moved to Orlando for the worst year of your life. But then you came back to Atlanta. And so what was it like coming back to Atlanta? And like, as now a graduate, and an adult?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1906.0,1927.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah, yeah, I think I realized I was an adult, right? 'Cause I'm like, when you're in college, you're technically an adult, but it's like extended years. You typically aren't, like if you're, you know, I'm like, I wasn't worrying about bills in the same way as I was when I came back as like a 23 or 24-year-old, *laughs* I was like, wasn't worried about jobs in the same way. It's like, when I was a college student, I worked at like Bath and Body Works, and would hold like, these other like odd jobs to make money. But when I came back, I was like, oh, I need to find a job that can cover my rent and my *laughs* [unclear] things, and that felt very present and top of mind. When I came back, I ended up buying a car. And before when I lived in Atlanta, I'd never had a car, like I always got around on MARTA and so it felt very different. I also recognize that I had been away for a year and it was long enough for my friends who graduated with me to also figure out what they were doing with their lives. So, many folks had moved away from Atlanta, or were no longer living in the city of Atlanta. And so I think, I spent kind of a year romanticizing the life and community I had in college, that when I moved back, in some ways didn't exist anymore. I ended up getting a job out in Lithia Springs (?). I didn't even know Lithia Springs existed before *laughs* getting a job there. Yeah, and like commuting to work. I felt very much like an adult when I came back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1927.0,1935.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nBut then it was like, things like SPARK. So I went to the media camp, and I met friends who were not only in Atlanta, and some folks that I met through Blackout, but also folks from other parts of the South, which was really cool. I got to like meet people who also had grown up in like rural areas or small towns and knew what it was like to be Black and queer, or a queer person of color. So I started interning with SPARK. And so-- really being introduced to what it looks like to do community organizing and doing this work more formally was really cool. Yeah. That was-- yeah, like moving back from Orlando was really hard, but also, I think really pivotal to like changing the trajection of my life, 'cause when I graduated and moved to Orlando, I was kinda really focused on getting like a job, like a typical job, maybe with like a comms firm or a PR firm. And then when I came back to Atlanta, I ended up getting a job working for a temp agency because I had started it in Orlando. And so I just like transitioned to their office in Lithia Springs. But doing the work with SPARK, I was like oh, like you can be paid to do community work. Like I didn't know that. And so when I got more involved with SPARK, I saw that like I could be doing this type of like community building and organizing work full time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=1935.0,2065.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm. And was SPARK your introduction to reproductive justice work, or had you, you know, thought about abortion or RJ before then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2065.0,2132.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nNo, like it was-- Yeah, I had not grown up ever saying the word abortion, which is like-- in doing RJ work, I figured out-- was like, I knew what abortion was, right. And like, I heard it, like maybe one or two times, but a lot of the times back home when people talked about abortion, they would reference Atlanta or Savannah, because those were where the abortion clinics were that were closest to Allentown. And so there was kinda this like understanding that someone might be sent away for a few weeks or for the summer to Atlanta or Savannah. And you understood that they probably were pregnant, and when they came back, they would not be pregnant anymore. But like, yeah, people did not openly talk about things like abortion, or honestly sex, like sex ed was very horrible there. And so yeah, SPARK was really my first introduction to the reproductive justice framework, the movement, like they really helped me understand issues that I had experienced in my own life or family members had experienced that like-- it's not only like individual issues as how I had always understood them, and was like, Oh, this happened to that person. Like that just happened to them. But like, there are like systemic issues and problems and oppression that was actually impacting not only individual people, but like our whole communities. And like, I found that so fascinating. I'm like, there's like language and like history *laughs* you know? The history piece, I think was also important and like, learning more about, like, the folks who founded the reproductive justice movement, and like their own individual struggles, but also how they were coming together to understand like, these are systemic issues in our communities, was like, mind blowing to me, I'm like, Whoa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2132.0,2245.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah. What was your-- so you're new to reproductive justice, you're back in Atlanta, you still got this fire, obviously. And so now you're interning at SPARK. What was it like, you know, interning there and getting into community organizing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2245.0,2266.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley \n\nYeah. It was interesting. I was still working like, two other jobs at the time, to make ends meet. So I was like, driving out to Lithia Springs, I was working at Bath and Body Works at [unclear]. And then I was interning with SPARK over-- they were in Kirkwood, at the time. It was really fun, I think to like, really learn about how organizations do work and like different components of like, organizing, outreach, like infrastructure of an organization, like, what does it look like, yeah, to do this work-- I didn't understand it as full-time at the time, but you know, in a more formal capacity. I was also starting to understand issues that I was experiencing in my own life that I didn't recognize were systemic issues. So like, I didn't have healthcare at the time, because my mother had lost her job. And when she had lost her healthcare, I lost my own healthcare, or-- and I had had PeachCare up until I was 18. But then after that, I didn't have health insurance anymore. And so that was around the time of like, Obamacare, or the Affordable Care Act. And SPARK was like organizing community members around that issue. And I was like, starting to learn like, oh, like, this is why the Affordable Care Act-- like they're trying to get this passed, because so many people live without health insurance. You know, but also, my employer did not offer health insurance, none of my employers did, actually, offered health insurance. And so I was organizing around getting people health insurance, but still didn't have health insurance. *laughs* So, it took me a while to like, get there and recognize, like, oh, this goes a little bit deeper than holding government accountable. Like, we also have to hold employers and other entities accountable, as well. And I started to connect more with other organizations in the community, like Project South, and learning from them, which was really amazing. And going to their political education school and starting to learn more. Like yeah, it was like-- I started to like-- all these different worlds started to open up for me through that work of interning with SPARK. And I started to understand things I had never had language for that I was experiencing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2266.0,2418.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMhmm. And so I'm also curious, just like some other things that I kind of know about you or think I know about you. I'm also-- I actually-- I think I'm curious about like, what was it like, like, your political consciousness, like developing around these issues? Like, you know, it seems like you kind of started around like queer issues, and then you added on like this reproductive justice, and then you realize that reproductive justice is actually expansive and covers queer issues, cover like the issues of healthcare? And yeah, so I'm just curious about, like, what that development looked like and like, grew into?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2418.0,2466.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah, I think, when I went to the media camp, like-- when Bianca came to the Blackout meeting was talking about RJ, I thought it was really cool. But I think when I went to the media camp, that's really when it started to click for me, how expansive reproductive justice could be, and then interning through SPARK really starting to see like, oh, this is a really expansive framework. *laughs* Because when we think about like, the issues that impact our ability to live and thrive, that falls under reproductive justice. Like, yeah, it was really, like, super interesting to me. And yeah, I think, but also, it's like that thing of, like I cared about something-- it's like, something that I experienced, kind of like in growing up, also, was like, I cared about something, but also sometimes people around me didn't care about those issues, 'cause it's like, people are just trying to live to survive and pay their bills and live their lives and like, learning about all this stuff can be a downer, right? *laughs* I think, I think my relationship to it is, yes, it's like hard and sad and heartbreaking in a lotta ways. But I'm also someone who believes like, we have to understand what we're facing in order to truly address it, like to know, the battle that we're actually fighting. So learning all these things, energized me, in a way, and so it's like, I know, some people might read Killing the Black Body and be like, \"I need a second to decompress, and like, put this book down,\" *laughs* \"hug a baby, or, like, I need something that will like, lift me up.\" And I'm like, \"This is so cool. Like, did you know this happened, that like, there was like testing of birth control on people that was like super harmful,\" and like, I'm like, we have to know and understand and retain this history, because it informs like, what's currently happening, and also the possibilities of what could happen in the future if we don't keep this history alive. Like that was really cool to me. I think, also, something that started to arise in my own personal life was, my partner at the time was white. And as I became more politicized, I started to understand the issues in our relationship *laughs* differently. And my interactions between my partner and I, differently. And I think that was kind of like an interesting tension that I had to grapple with internally. I also-- my relationship to my family started to change, because I started to understand, like, the homophobia that I was facing, and like, yeah, it's like, once you become politicized, it changes everything around you. *laughs* And it can be hard on your relationships with other people, 'cause they might not adopt the same ideologies or politics that you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2466.0,2648.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nYeah, oof. Once you become politicized, it changes everything around you. And so, oh, I have so many questions. But one in particular, you went to this media camp, because you decided you wanted to be a journalist. And so I'm curious about how you apply like your activism, your organizing, to your journalistic work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2648.0,2679.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah, I have a very love-hate relationship with my identity as a writer. I don't-- it's like, I have a journalism degree from Georgia State because that's how I could get the public relations degree. And then I got this public relations degree and by the end of it I realized I did not wanna work for like, maybe a standard PR firm because often what they do are spread lies. And as I got more politicized, I was like, Oh, I definitely don't wanna do-- I'm like-- I interned-- I was a work-study intern with the Peace Corps, my senior year of college. And one of the first big things that happened when I started there was there had been a case where a volunteer had been sexually assaulted. And it was making headline news and people were calling and like, the instruction from my boss was, Answer the phone and hang it up, like don't answer answer, like, pick it up and hang it up. *laughs* I'm just like... or like don't answer the phone at all. Like, what the heck? Like, okay, and like starting to understand that, like, you know, major institutions don't wanna face when a crisis happens, they want to make the crisis go away, no matter the toll or damage that it causes to people. And so yeah, I was just like, I don't wanna do this. And then I was-- did like writing with like a little small firm in Orlando, horribly underpaid, and knew I couldn't survive off of that type of living. And then when it came to, like, the RJ movement, I don't think I understood how, like, writing or journalism, or anything like that could be a part of movement work. Like, honestly, when I came to the media camp, I wasn't even thinking about my own interest, around like, journalism or writing, it was more so like, queer community, *laughs* just like, how to meet other people. And so, but we-- that year, we studied radio, and we went to the local radio station. And then I had to do like, radio interviews. Through SPARK, I was connected with like the NPR, like stories-- like story collection process, and really started to learn that, like, there is a component in movement work around like story sharing, and like knowledge, like how we retain knowledge and share that out. And that was really cool to me. And through my internship, part of it was-- with SPARK was like, outreach. And so recognizing, like, we go out into community, and we talk about the work that we do, and we pass out papers, we pass out information to people. And then, you know, eventually I started kind of combining some of my, what I felt like were on-the-side interests. So I was writing for publications like, the Body is Not an Apology, and Feministing. And started to like, incorporate some of that, like the activism work that I was doing locally in Atlanta. So like, interviewing folks at SnapCo, for a publication that I was writing for, or doing media interviews, as a part of my work at SPARK, and so, starting to see, yeah, like those connections, I feel like it Feministing, like whenever I could, like, I wanted to talk about issues that were like, related to the organizing work that I was doing, 'cause I just wanted to share more about that, 'cause I would-- it was just like, people didn't know about this. Like, I feel like once you get a movement, people start to act like everybody knows what the hell they're talking about. Like, these people don't know what the fuck we're talking about, y'all. No one, like *laughs* no one really knows what we're talking about, and what we do, like no one knows our little organization, so we have to talk about it and share it with the public. And so that became like a spot for me, yeah, around, like sharing more about the local work that folks were doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2679.0,2926.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nMhmm. And so I kind of have like a two-part question, which is, like, one is like, when did you start identifying as a feminist? Maybe I'll just start with that. When did you start identifying as a feminist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2926.0,2945.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nI honestly don't remember-- not like, I feel like-- I don't know. I don't know if it was-- I feel like maybe I started openly saying that after I went to grad school, but I'm like, maybe I did before then? It's like, yes, there were like moments in my life where I can pinpoint where I knew I understood, and like, I had feminist values. But I don't know when I started using the language of like, I'm a Black feminist. Probably if I started going through my writing, I could figure it out. But, I'm like, maybe it was when I started writing. I'm like, maybe it was when I got involved with Echoing Ida. I think 'cause there were like other people-- and I think Echoing Ida itself identifies as like a collective of Black feminist writers. So I think maybe that's when I started feeling comfortable using that language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=2945.0,3003.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nMmmm. What does-- okay, so yeah, I have a question around like, your writing. Your writing as a feminist, your writing to, you know, let people know what is happening and introducing them to organizations. And so I'm curious about your time with Feministing and your writing with Echoing Ida, like, what was it like being a part of that collective?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3003.0,3028.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah, the first time I met the Echoing Ida collective, it was actually when I was working with SPARK. And they had held their first convening as a group in Atlanta. And of course, they were connecting with local organizations. And they held this, like space where they were like learning from local RJ activists about the work that they were doing. And I was invited, as a youth organizer for SPARK to be there. And I thought it was so cool, 'cause I just never seen so many Black women in a space together, like, talking about their writing or like talking about like, knowledge sharing. I thought it was like, the coolest thing ever. *laughs* Like, I was like, I don't know how I'm here, what they were gonna learn from me, I don't know. But I wanted to learn everything from them. And these are all people who were like, I feel like, big people within RJ space, but I didn't know them, right? 'Cause I think, like also RJ is like very interesting. We don't do a great job of knowledge sharing, of like, sharing out who people are, where they've been, what organizations they've been a part of. And so yeah, it's like-- I got to meet people like Cynthia Greenlee for the first time, like Renee Bracey Sherman, Jazmine Walker, Amber Phillips, like, meeting them being like, these people are really cool. And I remember like, Renee, like, interviewed me. And that's how I ended up being like in the Cornell Policy Review. I didn't know what the Cornell Policy Review was at the ti-- right, and so *laughs* [unclear] Whoa, like, this is so cool. Yeah, like learning from them. And then Bianca was in Ida.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3028.0,3134.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nAnd also, it's like, sometimes it's like, sitting in those moments. It's like, if my mother knew all the things that I was doing, she would pray for my soul. You know *laughing*. This like-- I'm like, I would not want my life to look any different. Like, being a part of the RJ movement is like so transformative and life changing in so many different ways. But it's like a certain type of freedom and like learning freedom from other [unclear] people, like yes, we need to change the laws, we need to abolish the system. But we also have to practice what freedom looks like with each other and I just experienced that a lot with like, other Black writers and creatives who really knew how to embody freedom, in a way. And Feministing, writing [unclear] I think stretched me in a lot of ways because I don't identify as a journalist. But that role was like asking me to be more like a journalist. And so I had hard lessons of learning like, I don't like this style of writing, *laughing* like, I wanna write in the way that I wanna write and like, I don't believe in objective writing, you know, which-- understanding like, yes, like-- whatever. But, you know, I think it was just like, writing-- and I was in grad school at the time so, life was a particular type of hell. Also, I mean, going to grad school taught me a lot about like, I hate academia *laughs* I hate those teachers and I-- maybe I'm not rigorous enough, but also maybe I just want to learn things differently. Yeah.\n\nAnd then when I-- I think I was invited, like the third cohort of Idas. I was like, so honored, *laughs* like getting to be in space with them and be like, one of them was so cool. Of course, I couldn't like, help myself from like, nerding out. I feel like I scared Cynthia off 'cause I was just like, nerding out *laughing* over how cool I thought she was. And then I started meeting other people who I'd never met before, who were doing such amazing work like-- or-- yeah, it was just like, I feel like Echoing Ida was such a beautiful space where it's like, I got to connect with peers, like Raquel Willis, who I knew from before Echoing Ida, but getting to know her more in Echoing Ida. My friend, Jordan Scruggs, who we actually met for the first time at the media camp with SPARK. And then we like stayed in movement together and ended up doing Echoing Ida together. Yeah, it was just like, such a cool space. And like, learning from artists like Taja Medley (sp?). And like, there was like, one Echoing Ida retreat where she showed us one of her performance pieces that she hadn't debuted yet. And like, Echoing Ida was like, a life-changing *laughing* experience for me, just meeting so many other amazing Black feminists and like, people who are interested in like, culture shift work, right. And like seeing that as important work within activism. Like, it's not always certain like-- like political education, organizing, activism can look differently. It can incorporate media. And I think that was like, Whoa, like this can be-- this can look like whatever I want it to look like, for how I do my work in the world. That was really cool. And then yeah, writing for the Body is Not an Apology and like, I don't know. Yeah, having surreal moments like Sonya Renee Taylor came into town, and she's like, I'd love to grab a drink with you. And then we like met up at Sex Down South Yeah. *laughs* We got a drink at Sex Down South. Yeah. And I'm just like, What is my life, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3134.0,3347.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI would love to kind of clarify timeline things. So can you tell me just kind of like an order, were you doing-- were you part of Echoing Ida while in grad school? And were you also doing-- writing for Feministing during that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3347.0,3364.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nSo I joined Echoing Ida, yeah, it had to be like, probably 2015, maybe. And I started grad school in 2015, as well. I was a writer at first for the Body is Not an Apology, and that had to have started around 2014 to 2015. I probably started writing for Feministing around 2016 or 2017. So yeah, all on the same timeline. And I started interning with SPARK in 2013, or like 2014? But I think was like 2013, I think and then I joined staff in 2014.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3364.0,3407.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee \n\nMmmm. I just-- 'cause you briefly touched on grad school. Just tell me a little bit more. I mean, so you focused on Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3407.0,3421.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nMhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3421.0,3421.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nCurious, I mean, it makes sense why you drew to that program-- why you were drawn to that program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3421.0,3428.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nSo I did not end up in grad school in the traditional sense, like, I wasn't like, I'm gonna do like a master's program, like I'm gonna apply to this program. And like, I'm choosing this one based on these reasons. I was working at SPARK at the time. We had got connected with the department chair for Georgia State's Women, Gender and Sexuality Studies program. We were starting to have conversations around building a fellowship program, of like, having students in the program be fellows, with the organization, so they could have like, you know, experience doing, like community work and like activism. And she, like, randomly reached out to me and was like, \"We have several openings in our program that are funded openings. Would you be interested in applying?\" And I was just like [unclear]. And like, I was like, telling my partner about it, and they were like, \"Uh, like, that's like, coveted, like people want a free--\" *laughs* Like, I'm just like, I don't know, like, this feels like a lot, like I'm working like 32 hours here at SPARK, like, will I be able to go to grad school, I don't know. Like, also, this sounds really cool, to study Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies. So I applied, I took the GRE, I failed math miserably, 'cause also I'm like, people study for this shit for months, like *laughs* just like happening all so fast. And then I did the program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3428.0,3512.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nAnd I think I ended up quitting my job at SPARK in the middle of my first year of grad school, 'cause it was too much. I couldn't work full-time and also be a full-time student who was also a graduate research assistant. It's like, I took on a lot and just not even understanding what I was taking on. I mean, I'm glad I did it, because I did learn a lot, like there was a lot of learning that I did around feminist texts that I had never read before or engaged with before, while also recognizing like the institution was having me read a bunch of white people that I had no interest in reading. And like some department faculty encouraged that, others did not encourage students, particularly students of color, only wanting to read of like, [unclear] of color, like feminists of color. And so that tension and like-- yeah, it was very interesting, but I'm still very close to some of the people who were in my cohort 'cause I felt like we like, were bonded in the fire, *laughs* going to grad school together, and some of them are still in the world of academia. And I'm very much so out of that world. I actually never finished my thesis for the program, I never officially graduated. Like I went-- yeah, didn't finish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3512.0,3596.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nGood for you. *shared laughter*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3596.0,3599.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nPart of me is like, I completed my coursework, like, the last thing was the thesis, but I was just-- I started at ARC honestly. It was like, I needed to finish my thesis, I had taken this job at ARC Southeast. And the work felt more important than completing this theoretical project to be validated by the school and I was just like, I'm building this organization that actually pays for people's abortions, that feels *laughing* more important to me. Like, I'm gonna-- I need to focus on that, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3599.0,3637.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3637.0,3638.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nSo it's like we're naturally getting into talkin' about ARC. Tell me, how did ARC come about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3638.0,3648.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nSo Bianca *laughs* Bianca Campbell was one of the founders of ARC Southeast. And they told me that they were co-founding this organization, or they were like building this organization with their co-workers at the abortion clinic that they worked at. And they were looking for board members, and they were curious if I was like, interested in applying to the board. And I didn't know what an abortion fund was like, I had never heard of that. And so I was like, what's an abortion fund? And, you know, they literally fund abortions. Wow, in the name. But yeah, I thought it was really cool, because I hadn't talked a lot about abortions. And honestly, through my work at SPARK-- when I was at SPARK, the organization wasn't focusing on abortion in the ways that it had in the past. So it felt like a really cool moment to learn a lot more about this political issue. And then also like, having a tangible impact on people's lives. Like that really was like, interesting to me, like, yes, we do advocacy work, but like the very first top priority is literally paying for people's abortions, which I feel like, being a part of a direct service organization really helped ground me in a lot of ways around the advocacy work, 'cause sometimes it felt like the advocacy work was just like, too theoretical, which I felt-- a lot of my issue with grad school was, at a certain point, it felt like things were so theoretical, they weren't real in any tangible way. And ARC Southeast felt very real, because, you know, they were actually talking to real people in community and sending money and working with clinics in a way that like was undeniably tangible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3648.0,3762.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd I know somewhere in that time, you also-- and I'm curious, timeline question. When did you go and do your Rockwood fellowship? Was that before? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3762.0,3778.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nThat was after. So Oriaku did Rockwood first and she nominated me for the cohort right after hers. They didn't pick me, that's fine, whatever-- no, I'm kidding, I actually got [unclear] Then I did Rockwood, I think in 2019. Yeah, I know I did Rockwood in 2019 because the pandemic happened during my cohort, so I started in like the Fall cohort of 2019. And during our second retreat-- was in March of 2020. And we were in New York. And that was like a very interesting *laughs* time. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3778.0,3821.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah. Tell me about the fellowship. Tell us about your time at ARC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3821.0,3827.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley \n\nYeah, okay, my time at ARC. Yeah my time at ARC! Such a-- Wow. Lots of thoughts, lots of feelings, *laughing* lots of things. So I joined the founding board in November, like Fall 2015. And at the time, there was no staff. There were the three co-founders and then the folks that they had recruited for the board. And a lot of us were newer to boards. And so we like, had this like board retreat, but I feel like a lot of us didn't really know we were doing. We had to elect board, like leaders. None of us wanted to be the board chair *laughing* [unclear] so interesting. I was like, very clear. I was like, I'm in grad school, so like, I don't have a lot of-- like, that was like, if-- I'm in grad school, I don't have a lot of capacity for anything. I just quit my job like, *laughs* I don't have a lot of capacity for anything. But it was like really cool, like we came together. We were like discussing like the grant proposal process. Like, you know, it was like-- we really the people who were supporting Oriaku in applying for the first major grant that the organization got, and I remember us being like No, we need to take this out. We need to, like, do less, ask for more, like it was like-- and I started to see parts of the work that I hadn't been a part of in being like, community organizer at SPARK, right? Like the ED was not consulting me around any grants, like I just had to put on a good face when funders come to the office, right? Versus like, I'm a part of-- I'm supporting the person who's doing the grant, and I'd be like, No, we should do this, or-- Oh, the original vision for ARC was like a 12-state region. We were like, no, that's too many states, like, we need to be like *laughs* smaller or like, more manageable. And then yeah, it's like, supporting the communications and social media getting off the ground and all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3827.0,3944.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley \n\nAnd then, as I was coming out of grad school-- supposed to be graduating-- you know, I started to see like, okay, ARC Southeast-- from my board perspective, I see that there's like, a lotta gaps around like, the operations and like-- you know, board members would come into the office to help with data entry and things. But then it's like, I'm like noticing-- the office is unorganiz-- like, you know, 'cause there was only two staff people at the time. There was, at first the-- Oriaku was the Executive Director and then our former Assistant Director, Selena Phipps, and so it was like Selena was largely on the Healthline and Oriaku was off being a ED. And so I was like, there needs to be somebody here, and then, by the time I joined staff, there was also only two staff members, but there was a Healthline manager, and the Executive Director. And so I was like, there needs to be a staff person here dedicated to the operations and infrastructure of this organization to help build that. And so I like pitched myself to Oriaku. And she was like, \"Yes. Of course. Do you wanna be Co-Cirector?\" And I was like, fuck no, I don't wanna be a Co-Cirector, like, I'm not qualified for that. Like I was tryna become like a operations manager. And it was like, *laughing* in the conversation with her, we landed on Deputy Director, because I was like, I don't wanna be an ED, I don't even know what it means to be an ED but it seems like a lot of work *laughs* and I didn't wanna do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=3944.0,4030.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nAnd so, what I really loved about being in the Deputy Director role at ARC was, I got to be inside of the container of ARC Southeast. 'Cause like, you know, I had been a community organizer up until that point. I had done an internship, but like, I had been out in movement enough to understand like, internal conflict and politics. And I didn't like that, like, I didn't like any of that stuff. It's like, I wanted to be able to, like support and like-- building something that supports community, and like, builds the infrastructure to like, not only support staff, but help staff support, like the-- our callers. And so it was like, taking that job felt like a beautiful, like, vacation away from the movement politics and bullshit. And like, I just got to be in my ARC Southeast cocoon. Still a lot of work, right? Like, we went from a very small team, to growing the organization like, helping the organization move into a bigger office space, helping us figure out our data systems *laughs* and like, helping us build like, our outreach programs, our organizing programs, and like, being so involved with so many pieces of organization, I just learned so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4030.0,4112.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nAnd then, you know, I started to realize like, Oh, I understand why Oriaku wanted to see if I wanted to be Co-Director because, you know, there's a lot of work that has to be done and it's a lot for one person. And so I was like, yeah, if you're so open to a co-directorship model, I would like that. And so, yeah, moving into a co-directorship model, in a movement that-- honestly, everybody always had bad things to say about co-directorship models. And I understand why people were wary of co-directorship models, but I think with communication and understanding your strengths as individuals and understanding the needs of the organization and role clarification, I think co-directorship models are great. Like I think-- it's like also, being in a director role, I started to really understand the nonprofit industrial complex, and a lot of the ways that it asks us to accept scarcity, as like the norm, Like, yeah, like one person does three to four jobs. And that's just how it is 'cause we're a nonprofit, and I'm like, I don't think that's how it is like, I think that's how we're doing things. *laughs* And I think we also should be asking funders for more money, for less work and like, those seeds that were planted in the early days of us being a founding board, of like, no, we should like, tell them we're doing less and asking for more, but being in a position of leadership, and having the power to do that, in a way, was really cool. I think transitioning to the co-directorship, for me became hard in a lot of ways, because then I had to be back out externally in movement, in ways that I had, like, hidden myself away from. And so yeah, like learning to navigate all of that, 'cause I think what we sometimes forget is like, not all of our issues are external, outside of our movement. Sometimes it's within, among us, and how do we confront the bullshit, and how it shows up amongst our peers and our colleagues, and not just like, those that we see as our opposition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4112.0,4256.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nMhmm. I'm kinda wanting to lean into that a little more. I think it's an important criticism. And like, I think it's important-- it's an important reflection, as well, as we're thinking about what is needed for our movement. As much as you want to say, or not want to say, but yeah, how do you think we work better together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4256.0,4303.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley \n\nHow do we work better together... I think there has to be a lot more internal reflection, and dialogue, like honest dialogue, like radical honesty amongst ourselves, about the ways in which we embody what we're fighting against. 'Cause I feel like sometimes we like to act like, I'm like-- we're-- we all were born and raised in a society of white supremacy. We were all born and raised *laughing* in a society of like, racism and anti-Blackness. And just because we are people who are oppressed by these systems, does not mean that we somehow do not enact that same type of violence against other people or embody it in our daily lives. And it's like, you have to be ready and willing to do that work. Because, again, once you're politicized, everything's changes, right. And then just because someone is a leader within an organization does not mean they are politicized in a certain way. Or, it also doesn't mean that they're interested in being politicized in that way. And so I think it's like getting clear about naming who we are, and our politics, and how we truly see the world, I think, is really important. 'Cause we sometimes use this kumbaya language, that's actually not true, like the way we throw around values-aligned, because organizations are in our universe, and it doesn't mean that we're actually values-ali-- and what does it mean to be values-aligned? What are the values that we're aligning around? Yeah, I think-- and also I'm just like, as a person who was like, relatively young, and not even that young, right, 'cause a lot-- some people are like, actual young people under 18, who come into this movement. But as someone who was like, a young adult who came up in this movement, I sorta, recognize and see, like, generational divides and age divide-- like, yeah, the generational divide around things and seeing like, me and my peers were interested in doing things differently, and people who are older than us aren't always interested in that, and wanting to act like we have to accept that this is the status. But I'm like, if we're fighting to change the world, why are we accepting these things that we do, and [unsure- some things that don't need to change]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4303.0,4446.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley\n\nYou know, and so I think working at ARC was like, really cool, 'cause I was working with Oriaku, who actually didn't come from a nonprofit background. So Oriaku was like, *laughing* sometimes just didn't know, you know, like, this was like-- there were certain things that people did, so like, you know, having unlimited vacation. That is unheard of, in the nonprofit space, right. But like, Oriaku  knew of it from the tech space and was like, I like that idea. That makes sense to me. You should give people unlimited days because you might get sick, you might need time off, and other people in movement being like, why would you give people unlimited time off? Like how can you trust that they're actually working? 'Cause, I don't know, people need time off. *laughs* You know, I was like, I just trust people. Or when, in the pandemic, we tried on the four-day work week, and then we kept it. And like, no, we should have a four-day work week, like a 32-hour work week makes sense. And then people being like, 32-hour work week! Like, how would people get all their work done? It's like, maybe they fucking don't, like *laughs* I'm like, maybe some work waits until next week, or like-- being able to prioritize what's important and what's not. And I think it-- starting to recognize this kind of like, martyrdom, or we sacrifice ourselves and we overwork, and that's what it means to be an activist or an organizational leader, or revolutionary. I'm like, yes, we can sacrifice ourselves for the work, we can dedicate our lives to the work. But what are we actually dedicating ourselves to? I'm like, I'm not dying from overworking, to work five days a week. To what end? For what purp-- *laughs* just like, you know, I'm like, people do hunger strikes for very particular reasons, like, people set themselves on fire for a very particular reason, like, people can choose this type of martyrdom. What is the reason? And I think sometimes I would just be realizing that like, people aren't questioning the things around them. They're just doing what they learned how to do, and trying to convince others that this is how we're supposed to do it. And recognizing that, like, I didn't understand leadership, in the same way, like, yes, we can have hierarchical models within an organization. But that doesn't mean that I don't listen to the rest of my staff. It just means that I have different responsibilities than them, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4446.0,4600.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nAnd so, yeah, I think, yeah-- the movement is an interesting place, and like, white supremacy rears its head all the time, within our movement. Colorism is present all the time in our movements, and us acting like it's not there, because everyone in this particular space is all Black, or we're all people of color, that does not serve us, 'cause we're acting like problems don't exist, when they do and some of these problems are killing us, or running people away from our movement. So I'm like, if we want movements that actually are successful, and like start to abolish the things that we seek to abolish, and also movements that build and grow, and don't fall apart, we have to address these things. And our refusal to do so, is like, kinda just accepting that there is like-- these things that we're fighting against are natural parts of the world. And that's not true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4600.0,4667.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nMmmmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4667.0,4667.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nMmmmm. There-- something-- a couple things came to mind. Thank you so much. That was a really thoughtful response. When-- earlier you talked about, like, RJ not doing a good job at sharing knowledge and like, history. And I think like part of this oral history project is like, taking, like a break, reflecting on like, where we've been, where we are, where we're going, what is the history of our movement, as we're like, fighting harder, or should be fighting harder than we've been fighting or maybe fought before? And so I'm curious about, like, the historical piece, like, you kind of gestured towards like, I wish I had known more about like our history. And I'm curious about like, like what about the history, like could have been helpful? And like, what about like-- doing like this historical project now, is like, helpful, do you think like, to our movement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4667.0,4746.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nSo there's like, a moment when I was on staff at SPARK where I was asked to be on a panel for an In Our Own Voices convening. And I was on the panel with Dorothy Roberts, who I was familiar with, but I was also on the panel with Byllye Avery, and I did not realize I was sitting next to Byllye Avery. Until a while after, honestly *laughs* And I was like, woooaah. Like, you know? And it's like, what?! Like, why didn't anyone tell me, like why didn't anyone tell me? And I think also starting to understand things like, Dázon Diallo is like, she founded SisterLove *laughs* and it's like, no, yeah, she's like the ED but like, she founded this organization, like she had worked in other like, organi-- she worked for Feminist, for example, right? And it's like-- I'd just like, casually find out those things sometimes, or like, I don't know. I'm sure it's somewhere, but no one was like, really-- it wasn't a part of like, my politicization as someone in RJ. And like, I still have those moments, like Destiny Lopez, who used to be one of the Co-Presidents of All* Above All-- I found out that she used to be ED of Access Reproductive Justice. And I found it out because it's like-- her name came up on something and then I just so happened to be working with her at Liberate Abortion and was like, I did not know you work the-- you know, like, why don't we talk about these things? You know, like, and then also-- but I do also simultaneously see this romanticization of like, certain leaders and like we do know, a lot about them. Like, Loretta Ross for example, Oh, I must know her. But then we also know and say that there were 12 people, *laughs* who came together. And then like-- yeah, like learning that like, 'Able' Mabel Thomas was like an elected leader in-- and I was like, what! Don't we know these things. Like why don't we-- also, why aren't-- in RJ spaces, are we having elders come in more, right? And I think part of that is this kind of honesty piece around the ways in which people have been treated in movement, and relationships that have been fractured. And like, how, sometimes people are no longer in space with each other because of things that have happened amongst them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4746.0,4872.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley\n\nBut I think also it's like, why don't we retain knowledge about our movement, like in a thoughtful way. And then also not just like romanticizing certain people, but really having an interest in all the various leaders and like-- Yeah, I think that's something that's really important to me, 'cause I think sometimes there becomes like this celebrity culture, where we become very obsessed with certain people in movement, and then we lose all this rich knowledge about other people in space. And so yeah, I just-- I really am sad about that and want-- and I think that, this is really beautiful, this project, right. And like, I'm like-- y'all interviewed Sukari! Like, yeah, I feel like this typical kind of like celebrity culture, someone would not think that Sukari's someone that's important to speak to, but I'm like, Sukari works in an actual abortion clinic, y'all. And I think that's also a thing, with some of us people who are in like the advocacy space, we forget about clinic workers, and people who are actually doing the direct service work of making care-- like actually providing care, not talking about, like, why care should be available to people. Yes, that is important. But who the hell is actually performing the abortions? Who the hell is actually confirming that people are pregnant? Who is supporting people? And why don't we see them as a part of our movement? Because they are. And like, they deserve to be revered in the same ways that we revere other leaders, but also their wisdom and knowledge deserves to be preserved, right? 'Cause I'm like, someone like Sukari is in a long line of people who were careworkers in our community, who have provided care to other Black people and treated us with dignity in ways that the medical-industrial complex often has not, you know. I don't know. I feel like I start to ramble and get very Aquarian *laughs* like, y'all, why are we like-- we're losin' recipes here! *laughs* [unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=4872.0,5005.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nYeah, no, I mean, everything you said resonated. I mean, everything you said was literally the impetus for this work. Which, you know, it-- advocating for abortion has been like, at a state of crisis for a while. No doubt about that for years. You know, this better than most people. And of course, like, after the summer, after the Dobbs v. Jackson decision, right, like it felt like, this was the point where we needed to pause, even though I know the immediate reaction is just like, we need to fight, we need to fight, we need to fight, but it's like, we need to pause, and do this type of reflection work. And so really, that whole thought process is what got us to like, let's focus on RJ right now for this historicizing work. And I know there's probably plenty more that we will get to, and I'm also just, you know, lookin' at our time and I wanna understand like, what has the impact of Roe falling been on you, you know, recognizing that you're no longer at ARC Southeast, and you're still embedded in that work. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=5005.0,5089.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nI left ARC Southeast in December 2021. And that was really important to me 'cause I-- I don't know, I feel like I'd often seen like, people who are EDs are EDs for decades, like you're in that role for forever. And I didn't wanna do that, like, I don't feel like that's how we develop leaders. I also-- I kinda have this attitude of like, no organization needs me that bad, like, not-- me, the individual, right. It's like, yes, I know, I bring certain skills and wisdom to this work. But I'm like, there are also a myriad of other people in our communities who bring their own set of skills, knowledge and expertise to this work. And if we don't move out of the way, we don't make space for those people to come into their own roles of leadership. And it's like, we can share the knowledge that we have, like, my priority in my last year was like, we're hiring people in this organization, I know that I'm doing the role of three, four different jobs. So we need to hire a community organizer, we need to hire an operations manager, we need to hire these people, who, this is their job, and like, recognize that it doesn't require me to do this work at this particular organization, right. And so-- and also recognizing my life had changed, like, when I came to ARC, I was in a different relationship, I had a different idea of what I thought my life would be. And then, by the time I left, I was married, and my partner's job was based across the country and like, I am a whole person too, who gets to follow my own dreams and ambition. And I don't have to forsake myself for this movement. 'Cause I actually think that that is not RJ, if we forsake ourselves, for organizations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=5089.0,5201.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nSo, when Roe fell, I wasn't on staff at any organization, I was a consultant, because I'd been doing consulting work, but still very much in the RJ space. I was consulting with the National Network of Abortion Funds, Liberate Abortion. Still working with ARC Southeast, was working with Access Reproductive Justice here in California. And so, it was, I think, a very interesting moment for me, because Roe fell, I was seeing the impacts of it from like, so many different vantage points, of like, yes, what it looks like, the impact on one organization, but also the coalition work that I was doing was like helping me to understand like, when Roe fell, who all does it impact. And I think again, being on the advocacy side of work, we start to lose sight of like, who we're doing this work for and actually, who is the most impacted by these things that we're fighting against. And like, it's like-- sometimes in meetings, I'd be like, this is all theoretical for us, because we work at these jobs where if we need an abortion, our job-- we probably have health insurance that will take care of it. There are people in our communities who are calling abortion funds right now, who-- when Roe falls, it has a actual impact on their lives, y'all, so like, let's get serious about some shit. *laughs*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=5201.0,5289.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley\n\nYou know, I think that-- I think being a part of ARC and being involved in abortion funds and having relationships with people who work at clinics, kind of like, sharpened me in a certain way. Like some of these things that we talk about actually don't fucking matter. Because something is happening right now that actually has a major impact on people's actual life, like some-- after Roe has fallen, yes, abortion funds exist. Yes, practical support organizations exist and will support as many people as they can. But there are many people across this country who are being forced to continue pregnancies that they do not want to continue. Because there is not a federal legal protection for them. We have to be honest with ourselves about that. We have to be honest with ourselves about, what we're fighting for or against has impact on people's lives. And being clear about our position to that. I am no longer someone who has been most impacted by the issue that I'm fighting for, because of my financial position that I sit in, and where I live. I live in California now. Like Roe falling doesn't impact me in the same way that it did when I was in Atlanta. And like, naming that, there's nothing wrong with naming that. 'Cause I think sometimes people don't wanna name that 'cause they feel like it undermines their credibility or their status. And i'm like, it doesn't undermine it. It makes us more honest. Like, what is wrong with being more honest, with ourselves, 'cause also when we're clear about who we are, and where we stand, it also makes it clear who isn't in the space with us. And often, we won't have clinic workers, we do not have direct service providers, we do not have actual community members in space with us. Because there are too many of us pretending like we're those people and we're not, you know? And like, if all of us are EDs sitting in a room together making six figures, how the fuck do we think we're experts on how economic opression impacts people? That is not our lives anymore. Yes, I grew up very poor. That is not my life anymore. And I can be honest about it. I do not give blood to pay bills in the same way that I did when I lived in Orlando. I'm very grateful for that. But that also means I don't get to act like I'm the expert on what it looks like right now to lose my job in a pandemic, and then potentially be pregnant, and have to figure out how will I [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=5289.0,5431.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah, I just-- I'm like, we have to be real clear about who we are, and who we aren't, if we actually think that we can successfully, like undo the things that we're seeing right now. And like recognize it and like-- this is a critical moment, like Roe is no longer in place. Our opposition has a roadmap for how they can undermine these federal protections and will continue to do so. They are targeting trans people in our communities and have been for years, right. But like, also, we have to grapple with the fact that our country is going through this period in time where people, a lot of people, are turning to conservatism. Like even the people that we think are our people are adopting conservative ideologies. And who the hell are we talking to? Are we talking to ourselves, or are we talking to our people? And if we're talking to ourselves, what will help us stop doing that? Like, how do we actually talk to our people and not dismiss them? Like, because-- I feel like I see that a lot. Like, we dismiss regular people in our communities all the time and act like people just know these things. And they do not, because many of us did not know this prior to five years ago, or 10 years ago, or however long we started doing this work. Yeah. I'm just like, shit's bad, y'all. Shit's bad and it's only getting worse. And if we don't get clear about who we are, what we're tryna do, we're gonna lose. Like, I don't know, I'm just like, y'all, shit's scary. And that's okay to name that *laughs* Like, shit's scary, and what are we gonna do about it? And who are actually our people? 'Cause sometimes we keep actin' like people are our people, and they're not our people. They just work at organizations that are supposed to be our people, but they're not. And how do we get clear about naming that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=5431.0,5543.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah. Mmmm. And not that I expect you to have the answers to everything. But it seems to me that you just have such clarity. And I think, you know, some of that might come from the various places you've worked in RJ and the different positions. And then also like having some space to be removed from it, and now to be in a different state, like you're no longer in the South. And like naming that like, it is a very different experience. And so, I have a question, I guess, around like-- it's almost like what does our movement need, but you've already kinda said it, but it's like, how do we actually have these critical conversations? Like we talk about radical honesty, but like, it doesn't really happen without like, ego, being bruised. And like-- it seems like what you're articulating, is like, we don't have time for people's egos right now. Like, the people who are the most vulnerable, are dying, like, and it's not us, but we keep saying that we're the spokesperson for these people. And like we're the experts, because we work in reproductive justice, when like, the work that we're claiming that we do doesn't even impact us, for the most part, or not in the same way. And so yeah, I'm just-- I'm curious about-- maybe it's just like how, like, what would be your approach? Like, how do we have these conversations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=5543.0,5654.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nYeah, I think-- it's like I got to try it on at ARC in some ways, of like building that cocoon. And so it felt really nice to be at a organization that was so new. And we could build things differently. Versus like, being inside of a container of a organization that existed for 10 or 20 or 30 years, where you're like, undoing stuff all the time, which can be harder than just like, starting over anew. But I think it's possible to start over if we're willing to let go of what we've always thought to be true. Which I know is scary. I think it's like-- for me, it's like the clarity can be hard 'cause it sounds hard, to people, and it like-- the clarity can also be dismissive of our emotions, our fears. And so that's something that I have to sit with often, 'cause like, I can be very frank and like candid with people. And then afterwards, I'm like, oh, I think I just hurt that person feelings. And I think they are very attached to that. *laughs* And like, sometimes I don't feel the same attachment to things. Because it's like-- I recognize that attachment doesn't serve me, it doesn't serve community, it doesn't serve the work. So I need to let it go. But-- and like, I think a part of that is like letting it go. But that's also-- I'm like, we have to make space for other people in community or in this work, because I think that's where healers become important. Because they are in the space and they start to recognize, oh, the energy's off, oh, the energy's heavy, oh, we need to take a breath, right? 'Cause it's like, someone like me could be like, we need to keep going. *laughs* Like, we are humans, we do need some time to like, take a breath. Like, if someone's crying, we do need to tend to their feelings. But it's like, holding that tension that sometimes when we're crying, it's not that someone's doing something wrong against us. It's because we're recognizing hard truths. And like, what happens when someone tells you a truth that you're not ready to hear? It can be jarring. You can wanna resist it, you can fight it. But also, I'm like, as someone who does comms work, I'm like, there are some hard truths that are hard for us, but we have to keep saying them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=5654.0,5786.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nAnd so I'm like-- in this next iteration of my work, I'm really trying to find people who wanna name those hard truths, even though they're hard, and like, recognize that we keep having to say them. 'Cause I think sometimes people will be like-- I often think about like, abortion-- abortion work and Black people. 'Cause I often witness this thing, that Black people, who maybe aren't politicized in the same way that I am around RJ or repro work will be like, Black people don't talk about abortion like that, or Black people don't care about abortion like that. I'm like, that's funny, 'cause I worked at an abortion clinic. 80% of our callers were Black. So Black people are having abortions. So I'm like, if we're not addressing the stigma, shame, and the impacts on Black people who are trying to access abortion and the barriers that they're experiencing, we're actually lying. We're trying to act like this is not a issue. But it is an issue. And like, we can name the hard truth of like, not every Black person who has an abortion would actually choose an abortion if the other conditions in their life were different. And that's okay. We can name that. That doesn't undermine the importance of abortion work. It's just the hard truth. Like we have to start being more honest with each other, but also tending to each other and caring about each other. And recognizing that some of us will be more willing to, like, grapple with these hard truths faster than others. But recognizing like, who are the people who are taking longer to grapple with it and who are opps? 'Cause some people are just straight up ops, who don't believe in the work that we are doing, or what we're trying to see in the world. Some people don't believe capitalism is harmful to us as Black people. I don't know how you can get there. And like, you know, I don't know how we can stay there forever, but some people do. Right? And so it's like, I don't know, it's like, also some Black people love the police. Some Black people are the police, right? *laughs* And so it's like, how do we grapple with these hard truths? 'Cause some of us will change our position when we're educated and held with care as we move through it. Some of us will not. But how do we be honest about who we are, and what we're grappling with and make space for people to say they don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=5786.0,5936.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nAnd like, I dedicated this to my wife, 'cause one of the things that made me really fall in love with her when we first started dating was, she came to an ARC Southeast event. And, like a RJ ATO, and at the end of the session, we were asking people, What are you passionate about in the world? And she straight up said, I don't know. And like, I think [unclear] very rare in a movement space for somebody to be like, I don't know, like, everybody always has their answer. *laughs* Right? And so, I thought that was really cool that she was like honest and vulnerable in a room full of strangers, who could, for all of her knowledge, be like experts on this thing. And she was willing to say, I don't know what I'm passionate about. But I'm curious about learning. Right? And I'm like, How can more of us in this work be curious about learning what we don't know and not like rejecting what we don't know or rejecting when we find out that some of the things that we thought to be true are lies, that are actually killing us. Like the truth will set us free, if we let it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=5936.0,6007.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI love this response. I love it a lot. I also just-- especially 'cause you dedicated your oral history to her. And I-- she just feels central to where you're at currently in life right now. And so I'm curious to know more about like, what are you doing now? What does your life in California look like? And what does your partnership look like? Like, what does it mean to you, in this stage of your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=6007.0,6038.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nI think I'm learning, at this point in my life, what does it look like to really embody the things that are important to me and the values that are important to me, and trying out new things, and like, having people in my life who are also open to trying out new things. But also it's like-- they don't wanna do that, not judging. You know, I think I'm like-- I think a part of actually what I was running away from, from my hometown, is not so much of like, my ideas were so different than everybody around me, but actually the fact that other people were so judgy. Like, it's like-- not just like, oh, that person's different from me, it's like, Oh, they're different, and I hate it. *laughs* At this point in my life, being in California, it feels kind of like, space, from what I knew to be true. I was born and raised in Georgia. I lived there all of my life, except for the one year, up until 2021. And so it's been nice to be in a different place where I can just try on new things and be like, you know, try on newness around like, non-monogamy, or-- Yeah, I'm just like-- 'cause a part of, I think, what I'm learning around non-monogamy is how I understand hierarchical, like, structures in an organization, right? Just because things are like set up in a certain structure doesn't mean we have to adopt the harmful ideas around what it means for this to be true. We can choose what option works for us. We can be open and honest with each other. I think my wife sometimes grounds me, 'cause she's someone in my life who will be like, I don't know what the hell you're talking about. And that's nice. *laughing* 'Cause it's like, sometimes when you're around your peers, or when it's work, they're like hyping you up, like yeah! And then, I go to talk to someone who doesn't do this work, and they have no clue what I'm talking about. And so I'm like, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. Got it. So this really clicks with people who have this understanding. People who don't, don't know what I'm talking about. So how do I actually make it translate to people in community, which really feels nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=6038.0,6173.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nIt also feels nice to be doing repro work in a way that isn't so defensive. You know, like, it was really cool to be Interim Executive Director of Access, as they were passing, like this historic state legislation that was supported by their governor, when I only know repro work where we're like literally fighting the governor *laughs* [unclear] It was like, nice and different. And I got to learn the pros and cons to both, 'cause being here in California, I'm like, oh, these elected officials are a little bit too involved in the advocacy work, like, they can support this, but they don't have to be in our meetings, which are, no, like, I think they're-- you're still the opps. *laughs* Then it makes me grateful for my upbringing, or being in such a politically hostile environment, because I understand my opps in a very particular way, because they were so staunchly against the way that I see the world. And so I move here and things are different, but I don't lose my understanding that these are people who are part of a institution that ultimately I do not agree with, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=6173.0,6241.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nAnd so, I don't know, it's just, a really cool time in my life. And I recognize, I don't wanna fucking be an ED again in my life. Never say never-- I'm confident in saying never. I don't wanna do that job. It really fucking sucks. It's very isolating. It's a lot of work. And I don't want to live my life in that way. Like, I feel like I can do the work that I wanna do in a different way. I also-- I'm recognizing that like, being a consultant and not being a part of staff of a organization is freeing, 'cause I feel like I can speak as myself when I want to speak as myself. And I'm not a representative, as the Executive Director, of this entity, all the time. Which, not to say people can't say what they wanna say all the time, but there are implications, right, that are bigger than you, when you are in the role of ED. Like, when an organization loses funding, it's not just your job, it's your staff's job, it's the community programs that you offer, like, there are bigger implications and, me as the individual having hot takes about the police *laughs* [unclear] and that's freeing for me, and I love it. Yeah, it's like I really just-- really want to figure out what freedom looks like every day. And not some theoretical point in time when we abolish all this stuff, but like, how can I be as free as possible today? And how can I find other people who also wanna do that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=6241.0,6335.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nMhmm. I think that tees us up for our last question, which is, what does reproductive liberation look like to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=6335.0,6347.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley \n\nI think it's this piece about freedom. Like, us being free to be who we are, free from fear, violence and oppression. Like I don't know, like, someti-- like a friend of mine lived in a neighborhood, on this particular corner, these like, group of older Black men, were just like playing spades all the time. And I was just like, that's the world that I want. Like, I wish none of us had to work a job to have like shelter and food and water. I want a world where we can, like, have our needs taken care of. And we just like, show up in the world how we want to, and not constantly be worrying about things that are just, honestly basic human rights. Like, I'm just like, the fact that in this country, we have to pay for water. As if though, any living thing can live without water. Like we literally have to make money to ensure that we have housing, as if though we can live in the elements, without shelter. Like-- and people will try to make us believe that this is normal. And I'm like, this is capitalism. *laughs* This is capitalism telling us, we have to produce labor, to have basic-- very basic needs. 'Cause water, food and shelter are very basic, y'all, like they're just like-- your fuckin' plant can't even exist outside without the elements that it needs to grow. Like, we as humans need these very basic things, and why can't we understand that? Yeah, I just want a world-- like, reproductive justice, liberation, to me looks like us being able to live openly and freely and have communities where we can thrive. And not have to work so hard, 'cause it's like, you have to work really hard to be free. And that doesn't make sense, to me personally. I think it's like, freedom should be as easy as like being alive and existing. And I think that's possible, if we're willing to let go of all the things that actually aren't true, that actually seek to control us. And yeah, I think reproductive liberation looks like us giving up control, like wanting to control others, wanting to have systems control us, to protect us. I think it looks like us being able to determine safety and like what it look-- like, what we want that to look like for ourselves and for our communities. We don't have to accept what it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=6347.0,6522.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nThank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=6522.0,6525.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nAll of it. This is great. I think before we hit stop recording, is there anything else that we haven't gotten to. Quita, you wanna make sure gets on the record?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=6525.0,6537.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nOn the record... well, like, something that's missing, sometimes in RJ is like having our fun. Being more joyful. Like, I don't know, like sometimes I feel like we're way too serious all the time. Then sometimes I'm like, we're not serious enough! *laughing* Finding that balance. Like, having fun, living out freedom every day. Also, I found out this cool fact that Barbara Smith actually has ties to family and Dublin, Georgia. And I thought that was really cool. Like there's something in the water in Dublin. There's not, but, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106#t=6537.0,6578.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150113/file/276106/transcript/94387/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quita Tinsley  \n\nThere may be. It may be lead. No, I'm kidding. *laughs* Yeah, and what else. I don't know, I'm like this movement has been so life-chang-- as stressful as it's been, as many gripes as I have. I'm like, also, I would not, like want to be doing any other work. Like I've met some of the people that like, I truly love and admire, and people who like scare me, in a good way. It's like, they scare me because they know and understand things I don't. And like, Dartricia, you're one of those people. It's like, you understand like, communism and socialism in ways that I don't. And I'm like-- you know, it's like, 'cause of, that tension, right, of like, we need to abolish capitalism. But also like, there are people who also practice different ways of living, y'all. *laughs* We act like other people aren't practicing different things. And like, I don't know, that education piece, that-- the learning from other movements like, there's something really beautiful in like doing internal work, but also recognizing that we are not magical beings who all of a sudden care about the world and we're the only people. There a lot of people across this planet, throughout time, actually, who cared about the world looking different, who have resisted, who have won. And even those who have not won, there's a lot to learn from them. Yeah. 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