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Requests for permission to publish should be directed to: \u003ca href=\"mailto:info@georgiadusk.com\"\u003einfo@georgiadusk.com\u003c/a\u003e.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Preferred Citation"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eOlawumi, Sukari. “I have somebody else to pass the torch to.” Interviewed by Ashby Combahee \u0026amp; Dartricia Rollins. 10 November 2022, Georgia Dusk: a southern liberation oral history, georgiadusk.com.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Georgia Dusk: a southern liberation oral history"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eSukari (Suki) Olawumi is an ultrasound specialist with 18 years of experience in the field. Suki has been working in abortion clinics for 13 years. She has previously served as a board member of Access Reproductive Care-Southeast (ARC-SE), a member of the Organizing Committee of Amplify GA, a member of Movement Markers 2 cohort, and helped start a food pantry Beyond the Four Walls in Hampton, Georgia, in 2022.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Duration"]},"value":{"en":["02:04:18"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eSukari (Suki) Olawumi is an ultrasound specialist with 18 years of experience in the field. Suki has been working in abortion clinics for 13 years. She has previously served as a board member of Access Reproductive Care-Southeast (ARC-SE), a member of the Organizing Committee of Amplify GA, a member of Movement Markers 2 cohort, and helped start a food pantry Beyond the Four Walls in Hampton, Georgia, in 2022.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCopyright to this material is held by Georgia Dusk: a southern liberation oral history. 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Today is Thursday, November 10th and we are conducting this oral history at Yes, Please: a bookhouse and carespace in Scottdale, Georgia. You have been asked to participate in Georgia Dusk, an oral history conducted by Ashby Combahee and Dartricia Rollins. The project is partnered with the Spelman College Archives, a component of The Women’s Research and Resource Center founded by iconic Black feminist Dr. Beverly Guy-Sheftall, and which serves to document the experiences of contemporary Black feminist scholars, activists, and cultural workers.    The purpose of Georgia Dusk is to gather and preserve first-hand narratives of organizers and cultural workers who have a connection to Georgia and who are part of the southern freedom movement. The oral history interviews provide elements of history that are often not apparent in traditional archival documents or dominant media. The interviews enable participants to reclaim the narrative and historical representation of liberation movements throughout Georgia. When used with other research materials, the oral histories help to provide a more holistic view of history.    Suki, can you please introduce yourself by saying your name, pronouns, age, and your work in the field of Reproductive Justice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1.0,78.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nMy name is Sukari Olawumi. I am 48 years old and pronouns, she/her pronouns, and I am an ultrasound technician at Summit Medical Associates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=78.0,105.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nAnd our first question is, who do you dedicate your oral history to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=105.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nMy ancestors that came before me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=112.0,116.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nLove it. Thank you. Okay. So we'll get right into it. Where and when were you born? And where were you raised and who raised you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=116.0,131.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nI was born in Clifton, Illinois. But I, after I was born, I moved to Kankakee, Illinois. And I was raised by both my mother and my father, Claudia Perry now but Olawumi previously and Curtis Olawumi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=131.0,157.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nYeah. Tell us about. So you were born in Illinois. So tell us a little bit about being in Illinois?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=157.0,171.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nWell, it's funny because I remember my mom telling me that I was born on the side of a cornfield, because Clifton, Illinois was like a very small white hospital at the time. And I was the only baby in the nursery. And so they spoiled me because I was the only baby there. And she said that my dad was like rushing to get her to the hospital, instead of being in the city of Chicago because my family transported or transplanted from the Southside of Chicago to like the more rural area of Illinois. And growing up in Kankakee, I distinctly remember because I wasn't there very long before we relocated to Atlanta. But I remember there, in our house where I grew up, there was an apple tree that was on one side of the fence and on the other side of the fence. And once we picked all of the apples off our side, I would try to climb to get the apples off the other side of the tree. And my dad was like you can't steal those apples from the other side of the tree. And I distinctly remember, like things were so different than my mom, she smokes cigarettes, she could put a note to me with money pinned to my snowsuit and I could waddle down the sidewalk to the corner store. And they would take the note, you know, give me the cigarettes put the change on me and I can walk back, you know down the street and of course get a piece of candy for the chore of that. And then there was the church where my grandmother raised me in well helped raised me and my godfather was the pastor of the church. And so we will go to Sunday school and then we will go and eat breakfast and then we will go back to have regular service and then we will break and we would dart through the side of the church doors because there was a Dairy Queen, and go to Dairy Queen and eat there and come back into night service. And I'm saying all of this to say how I transplanted it to Atlanta because those were fond memories that helped mold me into who I am now. And so I remember my mom coming and tell us that we were moving to Georgia because my dad was sick. He worked in one of the factories, it was Purina dog factory, and then he worked in a paint factory, I don't remember the name of the paint factory. But anyway, he got scarring of the lungs. So the doctors there in the city, told him that he had to move to the south where the climate would be better. So my mom being 20, something and my dad being 27, we moved to Georgia, and they started him care at Georgia Baptist Hospital. My mom didn't know how to drive because she had a, you know, scare with 18 wheelers. So mind you was just me, my mom and my brother and my dad, and my mom didn't know how to drive. So we would go to the hospital here at Georgia Baptist. And they had all these different doctors from like London and everything because he had something called pulmonary sarcoidosis, which at that time, he was the second person in the world to have it. So basically, they use daddy as a guinea pig, I like to say, but you know, they were trying to do everything they could to keep him here. So I remember going to the hospital. And all the nurses being so nice to me, my brother, my brother was three, being so nice to us. And we're here with no family. And so my mother bought a Buick to let other people drive her back and forth to the hospital because she didn't know how to drive. So she paid people. And so I remember sometimes having to stay at home to watch my brother, because we couldn't go into certain parts of the hospital or whatever. And then my dad coming home, and then moving a hospital bed into the living room at the time. And all of this was when Wayne Williams was allegedly, you know, the child abductions and my grandmother. I remember calling like don't let my grandbabies go outside. And, you know, my dad having good days where he would take us out on the back porch and we would be digging in the dirt. And I had never seen red clay mind you we're from and I'm like are we dig into the devil? Like what is this red dirt like, you know, and my dad had a sense of humor. So he has his oxygen mask on. And we're just sitting out here and my dad was this well to do man with an afro who had he would iron his T shirts like everything had to be pressed clean and everything. So we're sitting out here and we're digging in the dirt. And at that time we lived well it used to be Bankhead, but now it's called something else. So we're living over. I guess that's consider southwest Atlanta, and Bankhead and they used to have Ben Hill theater, it was $1 movie theater. And, like right before my dad passed, he took us to go see American Werewolf in London. And my mother told him not to take us but it was just that memory of being in this movie theater, looking through my hands, watching this scary movie knowing I was gonna have nightmares, but my dad pulling his oxygen tank with this, my brother sleep because he was scary. But just that time with, you know, me and my dad, and that I want to say maybe a couple of days later, he went back into the hospital. And my mom was ironing his pajamas, because like I said, my dad was just this man that wanted everything to be, he wanted to look, you know, like a prestine person. And so it was during March Madness, and he would always call me and say, baby girl who's gonna win the game. And I would look at the TV and make up a team Duke or whatever. And he would make cassettes of his him trying to teach me Spanish, and you would play it on the recorder. And he would say good morning Sukari, and he would tell me and I'll be eating my cereal and saying it back to the thing. And then that night, I remember my mom getting a call. And I was in the bed. And it was like I knew Daddy was gone before she even told us. And so that next morning, I was taking a bath. And I really feel like it was an angel. Or maybe could have been my dad to come and tell me it's okay. And I remember going downstairs to eat breakfast and my mom told me, and I didn't cry. I distinctly remember not crying. I remember saying, Mommy, it's okay. I'm gonna see daddy again. And so we had a funeral here because we had joined the church here. And then we flew the body back and went back to Illinois. And this was in April, my dad was buried on April Fool's Day there, sun was shining, I distinctly remember it, getting ready to go to the cemetery. It was a snow storm from hell, like, I mean, like we'd never, my family got to go. But my mom didn't want us to go because the family plot was like up this hill, and it wasn't going to be user friendly. And like needling snow that just came out of nowhere. So I just remember because my dad had a sense of humor. I was like, really, daddy, this is what you do with like, it's snowing, like the sun was just shining, like five minutes ago, and like you couldn't even see driving from the church to try to get to the thing. So we went back to my family's house. And I think that's when I really cried and realized that I wouldn't see him again, because I didn't get to go to the cemetery to where they buried him. So that was emotional. But that's. But then my mom never went back to the north. She stayed here and got roots here. And she learned how to drive. She got her driver's license at 30. And we bought a house in Riverdale. And we were the only black family in Riverdale at the time. And I don't know if I'm going over into something else. But you want me to just keep going. I have a question. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=171.0,728.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee\n\nHow old? were you when you moved to Illinois?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=728.0,730.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nMoved from Illinois. from Illinois? Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. I was six. He died when I was seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=730.0,735.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee\n\nOkay, that's your only a year in Georgia. I'm curious, because your response to your mom was such an assurance that like you have connection to him. And so you talked about being raised in the church? And I'm wondering, like, where do you think that assurance came from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=735.0,756.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nI really think it was an angel or it was him because it was I distinctly remember, not crying. I remember washing up. And like I said, my dad had a sense of humor. And so I used to remember washing up as a child, and he would always tell me that I put too much soap on the rag because I will be crying. So I'll get opened my eyes and he will be like, how much soap are you using? And I remember sitting in the tub and saying, okay, daddy said don't put a lot of soap on the rag because you don't want to get it in your eyes. And so it was I heard my mom crying. But I think another pivotal moment was, I've got to grow up now to help mommy with my brother who was three at the time. So I think I became a big girl at seven years old. And that also started a trajectory of the path that you know, would get me to where I am. But it was just I can't explain it. It was just something and I did not cry until we I couldn't go to the the cemetery because even in the church, when we had the funeral here in Georgia, I remember walking down and it was so many people there in the casket was open, and I can see him and I distinctly remember telling my mama, no, daddy's just sleep, we'll see him again. I'll see him in heaven. You know, my brother was too young to really know what was going on. But, you know, everybody kept, you know, trying to figure out why I wasn't crying. And it just was not a sad time for me, at seven years old, and my dad was my world like the sun rose and set him and me. And then I think when I got older is when it like, hit me hit me whenever the anniversary of his death, or whenever it's his birthday, but at that particular time, no, and I really think that it was just, you know, a presence that was with me because it was just a peace.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=756.0,884.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee\n\nSorry to talk on this. How did his death impact your family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=884.0,890.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nI think it impacted my mother severely because you've now become a single parent in a state with no family. She wasn't working, she didn't have a driver's license, she had a car, but she didn't know how to drive. So you had to pay people to drive you around. And then family slowly started to migrate to help her once we got once, she bought a house and moved into a new house. And she just had to learn how to do everything, you know, on her own. And so, just watching her, in hindsight, still be able to provide for my brother and I and not have to work. And then when she had to work, it was just like, a day or two, like I want to say, I don't even remember what it used to be called Rich's. Before it was Macy's or it was something else before Macy's. I mean, it was like, way back in the day. But she worked in a department store. And she did not have to work that much because she got social security from my dad, and you know, from the life insurance and stuff like that. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=890.0,972.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nSomething else you mentioned is that when y'all moved here, it was also at the time that the Atlanta Child Murders were happening. Do you have any memories of what life was like in Atlanta around that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=972.0,989.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nI thought I did? Say that question again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=989.0,998.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nYes. So the question was around the Atlanta Child Murders that were happening at the time that moved here. And I was just wondering if you had any memories of like, what life was like in Atlanta. And I know, like you said, your grandmother, like mentioned it, like, don't let anything happen to my babies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=998.0,1018.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nUm, I remember, like I said, we lived off of Bankhead around the corner from the Blue Flame and Dogwood Court Apartments. So there was Dogwood Court One and Dogwood Court Two. My dad would always tell us like, we couldn't go into anybody's houses. But I remember we were always outside playing, we had friends that we could play with. It was always somebody's grandmother or aunt, or somebody's family member outside while the kids played. It didn't feel like anything could happen to us. I know my genius brother, who was super friendly at the time when we first moved here to decided that he wanted to go, not run away. But he wanted to go find some other kids to play with, because there weren't anybody outside at the time. And he wandered across to Dogwood Court Two and my mother couldn't find him. And she's freaking out. And some other family from over there brought him back. But he wasn't gone long. But it wasn't like, there was a police presence looking for him or anything. It was like, even at that time, when all of this was happening, the community itself was still taking care of the community. Because, you know, I remember, you know, listening to my, my mom and my grandma, even though she said keep us safe, but they never believed that he was doing these things. It wasn't like, you know, we had to stay in the house and could not be normal kids, you know, and I mean, we still went to the playground and stuff like that, but it was just, I guess what my grandmother was seeing on TV and not being there. But the I just never remember seeing like, police everywhere or anything like that or helicopters like anywhere like when we went like if we went to Greenbrier or anything, I just don't remember seeing, like not saying that it wasn't there. But I just know that we felt safe. You know what I mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1018.0,1143.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nAnd so my other question is about then your move to Riverdale and being the only black family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1143.0,1153.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nNow, that was traumatic. It was traumatic. We moved there. Remember, it was just me, my mom and my brother. And we bought this huge house. You know, you're a black family. You're from the North. You talk like a proper northern person. You know, I don't sound northern now. But, um, you know, you have this proper. And then I was this very bright skinned girl at the time and I had a little red afro, totally different from what I look like now, but, you know, you have this little, you know, girl and very friendly and at the time, there wasn't a school bus. You walk to school. I mean, I'm in a white neighborhood. white people, you walk to school, you know, they walk their kids to school, and you have crosswalks, and you have crossing guards. And you know, this, you know, middle class white suburban neighborhood. And at that time, Riverdale was lily white, I mean, lily white. And so my mother tried to shield us from as much racism as she possibly could. But they would put hate mail in our mailbox. I remember one time they put dog shit in the mailbox. And my mother didn't really let us know what was going on. But then we had some uncles that, you know, moved down to stay with us. Walking to school was never a problem. Getting into school wasn't a problem. They didn't really. I don't want to say show favoritism. But I remember being my best friend who and we're friends to this day, she and I were the only two black girls in the whole third grade. And so we just clicked because you look like me, I look like you. But I remember, she lived in a different neighborhood than me. And I remember, one time, once I got a little bit older, they would have like, summer camps at the local park, and it would be all free, and your mom can drop you off and you would stay at the park, you know, like all day. So of course, my brother was older, I want to say he had to be like, five, so that would make me nine, almost 10. Anyway, they have this creek. And we were in the creek he didn't have his shoes on and stuff that he cut his foot really bad. And of course, you know, not that many black kids there. And they didn't tell my mom what had happened. And so once she got there, she lost her shit. And, you know, it was the whole race thing, you know? So that's when I kind of really started to pay attention like, Okay, y'all are treating us different. But again, you still are kinda like shielded from it. And you really don't know, but you kind of know what's going on. And then I had a friend, Amy. Her mom would never let me come in the house. Amy and I were best friends. But she never let me come in the house. And Amy, of course couldn't come to my house. And Amy had fixed a sandwich with some brussel, put the what do you call them? Alfalfa sprouts or whatever the seed you know, the little things on that. And she gave it to me to eat and her mom had a fit. And then I went and told my mom what happened. And of course, that was the end of the friendship with Amy and I. And then Amy's mom moved them to a different part of town. And then somebody else did something. I don't know if they broke a window. I don't remember but oh no, they beat up my brother. Some of the white kids. So I remember my cousin's coming to stay with us from Chicago for the summer. And after that. Nobody messed with us anymore in the neighborhood. Because they it was like watchu. And they were my older cousins. And so when they went around, everybody was just like, what you're not about to do is mess with these two right here. And so that kind of made things better. But looking back on it. I know that had to be super difficult for my mom to be trying to raise two black kids and all white neighborhood. But then more black people started to move into the neighborhood. But the school was still all white. I remember me going to the school that I went to E.W. Oliver and we had computers, we had all the technology. We had books, but around the way at I think it was West Clayton Elementary, or one of those schools. They didn't have the same things that we had, because of the way that they had it zoned. And so I knew we had a really good education but I want to say by the time sixth grade, they had corporal punishment, by the way. And I remember in sixth grade getting called to the office to get paddled. Because I wrote this the words down to a song. And the song said, hell or damn. So I got paddled. Because of me writing it not saying it or singing it, but writing it. And my mama was pissed. And so she came to the school and said something. And I think, like, the next year, when I went into junior high school, then they start sending pamphlets home to say do you give permission to paddle your child. But before it wasn't a permission thing, it was a, this is the school, if your child get out of line, they come in, they put their hands on the wall, and you get paddle. So I remember that that was, that was, I think, another eye opening moment to where because it was me and another white girl that had wrote the lyrics. I can't even remember what this song was. But she didn't get in trouble. And I did and so I was like, Okay","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1153.0,1575.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee\n\nthat sounds really isolating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1575.0,1577.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nYeah. But you think about it, you're a child, and you just want friends and you want to fit in. And like I said, my best friend and I, when we were in third grade, we were the only two black girls in our third grade class. So it was, you know, you had no choice but to you know, try to fit in and be friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1577.0,1599.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nAnd now y'all are still friends to this day? Yes. We're still best friends. Wow, she still lives here. Oh, that's amazing. So even though it was a traumatic experience, you got a lifelong friends out of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1599.0,1619.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee\n\nWell, you know, that's what I want to hear about next too, is so what did community look like for y'all? Especially in Riverdale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1619.0,1627.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nIt looked like we couldn't get jobs because we were black. It looked like sometimes you couldn't go into certain places and feel comfortable. Like I know this is gonna sound retarded. But Cracker Barrel we would not go into Cracker Barrel just for the name because we didn't think we were allowed to be in Cracker Barrel. And so like one guy, this is like when the little crybaby candies came out, you know the little sour thingies. They had all of this cool candy at Cracker Barrel. But we were petrified to go into Cracker Barrel. We couldn't get a job at Dairy Queen, which was in Riverdale. All of the other little restaurants, they would not hire us because we were black. I mean, everybody that worked in any of those places, on Highway 85 and Riverdale, were all white, they would not hire black kids to work in there. And so we just, we never were able to work, you know, like the rest of the kids. You know, we just went to school and we hung out with each other and stuff. So we didn't even really go to the movies. We just basically played outside and were at each other's houses until the street lights came on. And then you went home. So but that was our, you know, experience, you know. And then by the time we got to like I said junior high school, they had started to rezone things and you started to see more black people, but not very many it became a little bit more diverse. And I remember and stop me if you need to stop me. I don't know if it was more questions. But I remember during Black History Month they didn't have a Black History Day or Black History Week or anything. And I remember questioning the teachers about it, I was like, so we don't have Black History Month or celebrate anything. And so I remember by the time I got to the eighth grade where we transition from junior high school to middle school, and they changed it to the name Middle School. We got a Black History Month because I was just like, we need to have one and we need to do things. And I think that is when the I don't want to say militant but I'm gonna say militant side of me began to manifest itself into ask questions. And so we got it but then they changed it to cultural diversity month. And I was like, that's not Black History Month. That's two different things, but they didn't want to offend, because by this time now, the Asian community, we're starting to move into certain areas of Riverdale. And so then we started to get more black teachers. And then once the black teachers came in there, then they started to you know, we had programs and stuff. Um, so yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1627.0,1821.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nAnd you mentioned earlier too, that y'all y'all did find a faith community. You found a church. Did you? Is it the same church from when you were in Bankhead and then moved to Riverdale?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1821.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nNo, it was a different church in when, okay, so if we want to go back before I started going to the school that we moved in the house that we moved into, we were in a private school. And we didn't stay there long, because the they weren't nuns, but I don't know what you would call them. But they would hit me on my knuckles. Because I would count with my fingers during math. And I didn't tell my mom. But when she found out they were hitting me, all hell broke loose, and we didn't stay there long. And that's when she put us in public school. But that made me not good at math, because I automatically will reflect to am I gonna get punishment for using my fingers to be able to count. But again, they weren't hitting the white kids, they are just hitting the black kids for using their hands and toes or whatever to count. So we still went to church. But I think after that experience, because it was a Baptist church, we stopped going to Baptist Church, and I think that's when we started going to a Methodist Church for a little while. And that was different. So yeah–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1835.0,1921.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia \u0026 Ashby\n\nThe Baptist Church was white. That's strange. In Atlanta, In Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1921.0,1926.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nWell, it was no that in Atlanta, it was but it was like more mixed like, you know who BeBe and CeCe Winans are? Well some of their family members went to this church and some of the people that were part of the church, married into the Winan family. So it was just like, you can see a whole bunch of anybody in there. But that the branch they had in Riverdale was majority white.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1926.0,1958.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nAnd then how was the experience at the Methodist Church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1958.0,1963.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nIt was different because you had acolytes because my brother was an Acolyte. So he would have to come in with the candles and whatnot. And I was mad because girls couldn't do that. And I was like, so why can't I be one. So again, that's where that whole militant side of me, you know, you questioning the pastor of why you can't, why can't I do that? And he was like, no, boys just have to do this and put the candles out and whatever. And so I didn't really understand it, because it was totally different from the Baptist experience. And so I want to say we stayed in there until my freshman year of high school. And then we went to a non denominational church after that. And I think my mother was just over the whole. Baptist, the whole Methodist, let's just try this. I'm just a Christian type church. And by that time, my grandmother had moved from Illinois, to the south. And then I had another aunt to move to the south. So she had bought a house in the same neighborhood as me and my grandmother stayed up the hill with her. So that church was nondenominational. So it kind of felt like home again. So it was much better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=1963.0,2059.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee\n\nYeah, I'm wondering, what was your relationship with God and your faith, like, during this period?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2059.0,2065.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\num, it was still very, very strong, because I remember like I said, in elementary school, we had to walk to school. And I remember every morning, my mom, me and my brother would be at the front door, and we would get in a circle and we would pray before we left out the door. In hindsight, I really think my mom was praying protection over us because she knew that we were in this all white neighborhood and walking to church, but I remember having conversations with God as a small child and I remember looking up to the sky talking to my dad, you know, as if he was still here. So it still was that very much connection. But I remember some people saying that their parents or grandparents would come and visit them. And I remember as a child, I'm like, No, my dad hasn't come to visit me, you know, or I haven't felt his presence or whatever, what have you. But I, you know, my faith has always been very strong, you know, even from a small child. So, but I was happy to get back into what I thought were like my roots of growing up Baptists, even though you know, nondenominational isn't Baptist, to me, it still has that Baptist feel to it. It may not be as significant as the Baptist Church, but it was still that hand clap and tambourine feel. And that's what I was used to in the Methodist Church. I was like, I don't know what this is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2065.0,2164.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nI also hear you describing like, a kind of reverse migration. And I'm curious, we didn't I didn't ask this on the front end, did both of your, so, both of your parents, did their parents also live in Illinois?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2164.0,2180.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nMy grandmother, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2180.0,2184.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nYour maternal grandmother–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2184.0,2185.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nMy maternal grandmother, my paternal grandmother, yes. They grew up in the city, Chicago, and my grandmother, like I said, she moved, my grandmother had nine children. And she had two girls and seven boys living on the Southside of Chicago, in the 60s, and yeah, so I'm just gonna be real as real can be. My mother was part of the Black Panther Party. And so she would get followed and everything. And my dad was part of the Black Panther Party, so he would get followed. And so that is why my grandmother transplanted them from the city of Chicago to it's called Hopkins Park, Illinois, which is like the true country like sand roads, no paved roads. I think my granddaddy had to build the house. And then before building the house, they had an outhouse and my mother coming from the Southside of Chicago and was like, wait a minute, we don't have no running water. What is this, you got chickens, and cows and goats and stuff, this is not working for me. And so that's when they had indoor plumbing and stuff. And so it was, she did that because she wanted to keep my mom safe and my uncle safe, because of, you know, folks following them around to see where they were going and what they were doing. So you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2185.0,2291.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nSo, your parents were activists; they were revolutionary, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2291.0,2296.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nAnd my grandmother also, but she was this gentle giant activist that if you don't mess with me, I'm not gonna mess with you. But if you come for me, I'm gonna send for you type person. So growing up in Hopkins Park, Illinois, it was I want to say so to speak, segregated, because I don't think desegregation had really happened, or it had just happened, because the schools were integrated, but they still didn't treat them, you know, the way that they should. And so my grandmother was on the school board, to be able to kind of make sure that things happened the way that they were supposed to. And my mother again, being who she was, would stage sit-ins and protests out here in the country. And again, the FBI and them would kind of you know, come on down there to see what was going on. And my grandmother would support and really protect the black youth that were there, and oftentimes, go into the schools. Because I want to say after Martin Luther King [Jr.] died, it was like chaos, and they wouldn't let parents in the school or something. And I remember my mom telling me that my grandmother was like, y'all gonna let me in the school to get these babies and my uncle, might've took a bus and took all the black kids to get him back home. So I have family that was just, you know, when you sit back and you listen to the stories that they told and my grandmother, the police had come to the house and said that my uncle had robbed somebody or something. And they told him to come outside. And my grandmother out...no they had him, because he knew not to resist the police, they had him down on the car. And my grandmother came outside and told them, you're going to let him up. And it was like five police officers out there, you're going to let him up right now you can go to the back in the garage and touch that, that car back there. If it's warm, then you can say that he did something. If it's cold, you know, good and well, he ain't been anywhere and you know, he's not this is not his character. And they did what my grandmother said and apologize to her and got it their cars and left. So and again, like I said, this was in the, the country, but it was still like very racist, you would think that Illinois would not be you know, because it's up north not going to be as racist, but it was in that area, it very much was very bad. But my grandma, everybody knew my grandmother, and they did not mess with her. She was on the school board for years, she did so much in the community, she did so much in the church, and she was just a movement in herself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2296.0,2499.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nSo I know you to be somebody that's bout it. It sounds like your family is bout it and I'm just curious about how you think that influenced and shaped you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2499.0,2511.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nI didn't really hear these stories until I got older, you know, all the things, you know that they did. And but I think it was because of who my parents were, it was inbred in me at an early time. And my family always taught me you stand up for what's right at a very early age, no matter what. And the things that growing up after I got a little bit older, to be able to understand what they went through. And what they did for us. Made me want to continue to fight for what was right. So, you know, just that whole...what am I trying to say...energy of what they did and how they did it. I think it passed on to me. How can I really explain this because you're shielded from so much, it's so at such a young age. But it's right there in your face. But it really wasn't time for you to be able to really understand or be able to know what you were supposed to do until you have something that is I don't want to say catastrophic, but I want to say catastrophic. And then at that time is when something is lit inside of you. And then I think that's when the torch is passed on, if any of what I'm saying is making sense. And I think like when that torch was passed, like I said, Riverdale was turning into like more black, I want to say it was like maybe 40% Black now. And I remember being in the ninth grade and we went to Griffin, Georgia, which was still is very racist. And I was a football manager and I went to go get the boys their drinks at halftime and the lady behind the concession stand looked me in my face this little how to you in the ninth grade like 14, 14 year old girl and said \"I'm not fixing them niggas nothing.\" And I stood there and I look behind me because I had never heard that word before use at me. And I said \"You call a me a nigga?\" and she said \"I'm not fixing y'all niggas nothing.\" And I stood there and I cried because here I am this this child and this adult is calling me this. And I went back to the cheerleader's husband was a black man in the military, he always wore his uniform wherever we went. And I went and told him, I can't remember his name. And I said, he says, \"Where are the drinks?\" I said, she said, 'She said she ain't fixing us niggas nothing.\" And he said, \"She said what?\" And he took me back up there. And he made her apologize to me. And he says, you are going to fix these boys their drinks, so they can have them. And then I remember the police comin, because we had to have a  police escort at this time. Because things just took a turn for the just for the worse. And I remember crying the entire way back on the bus, but in the midst of me crying, I began to get mad, and say, what can I do, because I didn't do anything to this lady. And I think that truly was the first pivotal moment because I went home, and had the conversation with my mom, and my grandmother, and my aunt and my uncle, who had all moved here. And then they began to tell me their stories of being called nigger, being spit at, being thrown stuff at them. And all of those things, because I didn't they, they shielded me from that. But at this time, they saw that something was burning in me to be able to say, this will never happen again, like, no, what you're not going to do is this. 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And we would have to have police escorts because they will be pushing our buses to try to tip our buses over. But we still showed up, we still went out there and cheered. We still went out there and do what we were supposed to do. When we could've just said no, we're not going to go play these games. We're not going to go out there. We're not going to. But this was something that we loved. And we wanted to do. We weren't going to let anybody make us be afraid. So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2511.0,2900.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nEven though you said your parents maybe didn't like raise activism in you. I feel like you experienced many examples of your mom always advocating for y'all. So even though, you know, you were put in like she had to make the choice of raising you and this white neighborhood. She didn't just let things happen to y'all. It seems like you always had an advocate. And it seems like that kind of raised you to also be an advocate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2900.0,2935.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nYes. And I think it's because of all of the strong women that I had. I had my mother as an example. I had now my grandmother here I had my aunt here, who were all you know, my aunt in her own entity was the first person that I saw, have a master's degree and be a school teacher. You know, my mother went to junior college, but she didn't have a master's degree, she had education, but to see somebody that looked like me that, you know, had a master's and was a teacher and she, when she left Chicago, she went to New York to teach and then you move to the south and it's a whole different beast that you have to deal with. But she kept doing it because she loved what she did. Teaching special ed, special educational children. So I always had that support circle of folks that I saw, do, you know? Being my mom being a single parent because she didn't remarry until I was grown grown. And my aunt being divorced with two kids taking care of her elderly mother, which we all helped do that. But yeah, so and just hearing their stories, which continue to help with each area of me growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=2935.0,3028.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee\n\nI mean, you laid out so beautifully the many building blocks to, I mean what you're describing as militancy. And so, I want to hear like, what is that? How is that manifesting? Especially? It sounds like it started in junior high around adolescence. 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Where are the black people? What's going on? Like, where are the books? Where are the computers like that really work? And it was just like, oh, no, there's Lovejoy. There's Mount Zion High School now that has elevators and stuff. And we're in here with no air condition, type thing. And then they built the Performing Arts Center. And they started having programs and I started asking questions like, why can't we have those programs here? Theater technology? What black child knows anything about theater technology? Okay, well, you have to get so many people to come and take this theater technology class. So I'm going around advocating, let's just go and figure out how to change some lights in there and see how you shine things and how to do the sound boards and things. So they picked us to do it. And then they had Japanese, you learn Japanese, but you learned it online. And oh, no, we can't do that. Okay, well, how many kids do you have to have to take this class? So I had about five or six of us to take Japanese and it was a school in Ohio on the screen. And our teacher was in Japan and was teaching us we learned Japanese. And it was just something different, like we can have all of the things that these other schools have, you know, but we have to be able to say that we want those things. And then, you know, I began to run for homecoming queen this and miss this and miss that. And then I got selected to be in the Miss Georgia pageant. And I was representing Clayton County. And so we went to this. And of course, they're all of the counties in Georgia being represented at this thing. And then they selected the top 10. And this little black girl in Clayton County, not thinking that she's gonna get selected, you get selected to be the top 10. And so it was a wonderful, scary experience in the same breath. Because you have to wear this tiara the entire time. You're taught to sit up straight back straight, enunciate correctly, and you go to eat, and you sit down. And it's the table setting with salad fork, dinner fork, soup spoon, certain butter knife, everything. Being this little black girl, I had never seen a setting like this, and you're one of the top 10. So I'm afraid to eat because I don't know which fork to use first. I don't know which spoon to use and whatever. So I'm sitting here starving because I don't know what to do. Until I see some of the other people and one of the girls. She was my roommate. She was like, do you know what to use? And I was like, No, and so we watched somebody else. But those things weren't taught to us and you know, we were taught things you're taught as a kid you were taught to be a lady but just to have this setting set up like this. I felt like I was being set up. And so this again, being the top 10. And then they take you in this room and they interview you. And so the white lady says to me when I come in, she looks down at the paper, she looks back up at me. She says, well to be honest, I didn't know if you were Asian, or if you were Black because of your name. Sukari. It could be, Asian origin. And Olawumi is definitely Nigerian? Are you Nigerian? And I said, No, ma'am. Is your daddy Nigerian? And I said, no, ma'am, is your mama Nigerian? I said, No, ma'am. Mind you, you're supposed to be questioning me, for me to go before the judge because this is the Miss Georgia pageant for me to go...the Miss Teen Georgia pageant to go before the Miss Georgia pageant. But your only question it'd be about my name. She never, oh, well, what does your name mean? What is its origin? So I'm telling her, Sukari means sugar. Olawumi, lover of wealth. And I'm getting mad because I had studied all of these questions that they give you to prep you. And she didn't ask me a single one. And at that moment, I knew that I was not about to be picked to represent the state of Georgia because A) I was black. B), I had this name. C), I didn't know which was the salad fork or which was the dinner fork. So when I'm standing up on this stage with the rest of these nine girls, there was one other mixed girl in there. And we're all holding hands. And my family is sitting out there. And I remember that I wanted my hair cut like Whitney Houston from the Body Guard. So I had this Whitney Houston Body Guard hair cut going on. My mother had got this dress from the consignment shop, that was a wedding dress, because you had to change into all of these different gowns and whatnots. And what have yous. And I had this navy blue suit that looked like the one that Whitney Houston wore, in one of the movies because she was my idol. So I'm standing up on this stage holding these people's hands. And I'm like, I know I'm not about to win. But I'm a winner because I made it this far. I'm one of the top 10. You only asked me about my name. You didn't want to know if I knew how to answer any of these questions, or anything of that nature. And then that's when that moment me standing on that stage. This is a political move. This is something that I don't ever want to do ever again in my life. And that was the last pageant. But when it was time for us to have our exiting interview, because you didn't get selected or whatever. I told him I said this was not about black women. This was not about a black girl winning to represent Miss Georgia. This was about you just wanting to have some of us in here in this space. I said I would never do another pageant again. Because you don't care about me. All you cared about was my name. And she was sitting there with our mouth open. And my mom was sitting in the back like, that's my baby. That's my baby. And my brother was clapping for me. He was so proud. And my aunt and my grandmother, but it was just like, how dare you make me waste my time? How dare you make my mother spend all of this money for me to get here for you to only ask me about my name. And that's and I was like, Y'all can have this shit, Mama, you don't have to spend not another another dime for me to be in. I'm done with it. You know what I mean? And it was just crazy. But that was just another part of me, where the fire again was burning more and more and more and more. Now mind you, we're still in Clayton County. They rezoned everything. My grandmother got sick. And we went to Clayton General Hospital, you heard what I said. Big Confederate flag at the top of the hospital. Now my grandmother is in here. And I go in here and I said do y'all know it's the Confederate flag out there? And on top of this hospital? They was like yes, ma'am. We do. I said well, I find it offensive. It needs to come down. Oh, no, ma'am. It's been there. It's been no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It needs to come down. I have a problem with it. So that's when I began to ask questions. And I wrote my first letter to someone that was in power that could do something about it. It took a minute, but they took the flag down. They took the flag down because I had a problem with it. And then I want to say not long after that Clayton General became Southern Regional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089#t=3043.0,3595.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276089/transcript/94388/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nSo again, that fire again is still burning and growing. Burning and growing, and then, you know, I am now ready to graduate high school. So I have all of these things up under my belt. I have taken Japanese, I can speak Spanish and Japanese. And I can do this theater technology stuff that I was like, I'm never going to use this, but it'll look good on a college application. You all need to keep this up for us to have these things in here. And then we had Black History Month in the school now where we had whole celebrations, and we had programs and we learned more than Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and Sojourner Truth not saying that they were not important, but that this time is now let's read different books about different people and learn other things other than that, what is in this textbook. 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His father went to Georgia Tech, I went to Albany State, I just knew that we were going to have this American dream, you're going to be an engineer, I'm going to be a nurse, live happily ever after, get pregnant with Xavier. And my dreams had to be put on hold. Because I had to become a mom and his went forward. I came home and paused and had to figure out what I was about to do because I was about to become a mom. I had him and had to figure out life next, because now I am a single mom with a child, and his dad had to pay child support. But when we went to court, the judge is like, oh, you're alumna of Georgia Tech. So am I, you only have to pay $125 a month. And I was like, sir, that's not going to even pay daycare for you know, one week $125 a month, when am I supposed to do with that? So with that being said, of course, you know, my mom and my grandmother and my aunt, you know, helped me but I decided to try to start back to get my RN at Georgia Perimeter. And I remember sitting in class and not seeing my son it was always wake up, drop him off, go to school, come back it's dark, he sleep, wake up repeat. And I remember sitting in psychology and was like, I can't do this. You know, I want to raise my child. So I dropped out of nursing school and went to that's when medical assistant had first started. And best friend and I from third grade. We started medical assistant school together. And at the time medical assistant school they taught you like an LPN, it was your wear white bra white panties, white nursing, uniform, white pantyhose, white shoes, she taught you everything. They taught us how to draw blood, they taught us how to start IVs you know, catheters, everything to be ready, productive people for the world, graduate from school top of my class, to make $7.50 an hour. And working for a doctor that would put us all out the office, we couldn't even eat in the building. I didn't have a car, so I would just be sitting out there. Anyway, fast forward, I got to work for this amazing group of doctors and they had hired their first black doctor. And I was the chosen one to work with her. And she and I became close friends immediately. She was from Illinois. But by this time, I had had my second child, my daughter. When I started working there I was 10 months. She, Xia was 10 months. And working for them. They sent me back to school to be a scrub tech. So I learned how to scrub into assist the doctor and C-sections, hysterectomies. I was determined, you know, no, I'm not a nurse. But if you want to send me to school, you want to train me to do it fine. So I'm making, I think I'm ballin'. I think I'm making $15 an hour. But I knew that still wasn't enough for me. I wanted to have people remember me always was that at that time, having two kids I wanted to be a person that was known for making a difference. I remember at that time I had both of my kids and talking to my mom and I said I want to be like I want to say it was Hosea Williams. I said he's always doing for the community. He's always you know, I said, Mommy, we don't have people in my age group, when all of these people die, who's going to care? And that scared me so bad, y'all, like I just kept saying, where are the people that are my age that are going to carry this torch. So I wanted people to know me for doing something making a difference, say all that to say, I'm working for this doctor, amazing doctor, they have this white girl working in ultrasound tech. And when I tell you, she was the epitome of a blonde, and I was like, if Denise can graduate from getting an ultrasound technician degree, I can go to school surely and become an ultrasound technician. So she was the person that really inspired me to go to school to be an ultrasound technician. And so at that time, school was Monday through Thursday, 6pm to 10am. And I sat my kids down. Xavier was in second grade, Xia was in kindergarten, I said mommy's going to school, she can't stop. She's got to finish. It's gonna be rough it's 18 months. And my daughter looked me in the eye. She says, Mom, you got to put your report card on the refrigerator. I said deal. And she says, you know, you can't bring any C's in our house. Yes, ma'am. Because that's what I would always tell them. So I had the support system, like I said, of my family. I said mama, I can't stop school, I've got to have a better life for my kids. I want them to have a yard. We're living in an apartment in Riverdale, which is still racist, but not as bad. I told y'all earlier about them taking the Confederate flag off of Clayton General, now Southern Regional, and we're living in this apartment on off of Highway 85. And they have these three flag stands, you know, up with the flags on them. And I had been living there for years. And the wind just caught this flag some kind of way. And it's to the American flag and was in the middle, a Confederate flag. And I go to the rent office and I was like, do y'all know it's a Confederate. Oh, yes. It's been there for 10 years. I said, Well, I have a problem with it. I'm paying my rent here. She's like, Oh, we're not going to take it down. Okay, we'll see about that. So I get my kids dead of July, in the Georgia heat. And we go knocking door to door to get a petition signed to get this flag taken down because I'm not paying my rent here. I couldn't afford to go anywhere else. My mother's like, you can't do this because you have kids. You don't want to and of course she was just being a grandmother. Now she's not being you know, children supersede when grand kids come into the picture. And so I'm taking them door to door and we're getting this petition signed and I'm talking to these black people that was like, oh, yeah, no, we've been living here 20 years, we know it's there. But we just don't ruffle the waters like, well, I'm gonna ruffle them because I got a problem with this. Long and short. They broke the window out of my apartment. My mother was like, the Klan is coming to get you you got to stop this. I'm like, mama, I cannot live here with this flag flying. So one day I come home, I think I got like maybe 500 to 1000 signatures for the the to get it taken down. And we're driving home. And the wind hits the flags down. There's three American flags up there. And now I'm getting emotional. And I sit there and cry. And my daughter says, Mommy, why are you crying? And I say because I did it. And I said, we did it. I said, Because you went with mommy, to get these, this petition signed to get this taken down. I said, Baby, you've always got to fight for what you believe in and what you think is good. And so she starts crying. And so we're sitting there crying, and I'm crying more laughing because I don't really think that she knows why she's crying, but she just sees me crying. And I said, Okay, now that I've done this Mama's got to work to get y'all in a house. So I'm an ultrasound school. I get accepted into the program. And they only let so many in because ultrasound is new at this time. It costs a little bit of nothing to go to ultrasound school. And I'm in school from 6 to 10. My mom is watching the kids. I go pick them up, come home, you know, get them in the bed. And then I'm working at South Fulton Friday, Saturday, Sunday as an ER tech too, because I've graduated from being a medical assistant. So now I'm an ER tech too. So they in the hospital treatin me like an LPN because I know how to do everything. So they like, go draw this blood, start this IV, you could push this, put this cast on, put this catheter on all while I'm in ultrasound school. So ultrasound school was kicking my butt, single parent, two kids, not really seeing them. And then my grandmother dies, and it's in the middle of me taking ultrasound physics, and I feel like my whole world had just been turned upside down. Because my grandmother, like my dad was my world. It was nothing that she could say she didn't want. She could I could be on the phone with her. And she could say, Oh, I saw commercial for Jamocha shake. And I'm going to Arby's to get her a Jamocha shake when I get off of work. And I remember I was working a double. And I called her. My grandma never answered the phone. And she answered the phone. I said, grandma can't come and see you today. I'll come and see you in the morning. When I get off. I got to work a double. And she says, okay, baby. And I said, What are they have Meals on Wheels, this one Meals on Wheels first started. So it was this white old guy that would bring us...I said did ya senior citizen boyfriend come and bring you your meals and she started laughing. She thought that was the funniest thing. And we're a big football family and my cousins, were playing at University of Illinois, and then two of them were playing for University of Tennessee. And she says, I'm watching your cousin's play football. And I said, Okay, Grandma, I'll see you tomorrow. I love you. And that Sunday morning, I got the call at work that she was gone. And I lost it, because I didn't make the time to go then to see her. So I'm in ultrasound school. And I'm like, how am I gonna get through this? My Grandma's not here. And physics was so hard and it wasn't normal functioning people physics, where you hate it was ultrasound physics, where you had to know the machine inside and out. And like I said earlier, like math was my weakest subject. And my daughter had already told me you can bring no C's home and I prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed. And I made a B in the class. And I know it was nothing but God's grace and mercy. And so I was like, grandma wouldn't want you to quit. You can't quit, you got to keep going. You got to keep going. Because you got these kids, you got to keep going because you want them to have a yard. You got to keep going because you want to do better for them, because it's just you. And I graduated with a 4.0. And I remember standing there and well, before I graduated, I worked at South Fulton was in ultrasound school. I worked as at the Southlake Mall, in a jewelry store because I was trying to buy a house, a single parent at 25 with two kids in school, trying to buy a house. They told me you can't do it. There's no way you're gonna do it. And I was still no, I was working at Eagle's Landing. I was about to leave. I got the house. They took the earnest money, give earnest money at the time. And they did an appraisal those people just took my money and didn't appraise the house. So I'm bawling, crying and the lady that I was buying the house from she says no baby, this is going to be your house. We'll figure it out. I move into the house. I started ultrasound school, grandma passed all this stuff. Here I am full circle. I'm the only black person in this all white neighborhood in Henry County. And my mother's like, what have you done? And they would drive up and down the street with their Confederate flags. And I said I don't care as long as you'll burn no crosses in my yard. You stay on your side of the street, I'll stay on my side of the street. And I'm in ultrasound school. And on the weekends when I didn't have to work, I would the kids would be on their bikes and we would be walking down. And it would be a white man on the left side of the street, white man on the right side of the street on the sidewalk with his dogs, and they would just be barking. And he was like, I should let them get you and I always okay, the militant side again. My dad used to carry a switchblade. So I always grew up carrying a knife. So I, my knife on me. And I was like, if you let that dog go to come and bite, my child it's not going to make it back across this street. And my mother, she was just like, why do you live out here? I said, Mom, because I didn't have to put any money down on this house. It was like an FHA farmers loan or something. Because you're in this rural area. And the white people told me, No, they'll give you this house. If you say that you you know, do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I listened to the white people and that's how I got my house. But I'm having to deal with all of this out there. Had a privacy fence. They're pulling the planks off of my privacy, tried to do anything to get me to move out this neighborhood. I'm on the phone with my mom, I'm walking over to this lady's house knocking on the door. My mother's like you just can't go to nobody says I was like, I work too hard for this house and work three jobs. I'm in school right now. They're not about to tear up this house, you can do whatever you want to do to try to intimidate me, but I'm not going anywhere. Call the police. The police is like, ma'am, what do you want us to do? I want you to make them fix my fence or take them to jail. These are the two options but they were teenage kids didn't want to see them go to jail. I don't care what color you are. But there has to be some repercussions of what you did to know what you did is wrong. It's Lowe's across the street what time y'all going to be fixing it. So they fixed my fence. So again, then fast forward, I graduate in the midst of all of this, me being in the house for some years, for almost a year now. Making the money but not really making good money because now I'm in the ER. And I think I went from in the private practice from making good money to $12 an hour. Now in the emergency room in the hospital. I got behind on my mortgage. So now I am working in the hospital because they hired me on because I worked there but then now switched to ultrasound. So now my pay is gone to $19 an hour, but I'm behind I remember my daughter called me she says mommy its somebody taking the car. I was like yes it's being repossessed. It's okay. Just don't...she's like, you want me to go stop him? And I'm like no child. And so I'm at work. I'm crying. I'm crying. Bill collectors are callin'. So this is single black woman trying to do better. You beat all odds you graduated, you got a 4.0, you got a house, you're 25 years old. All of the I can't, I can't I can't turn into I can's. And my faith, my faith, my faith, my faith. How am I going to feed these kids open the mailbox and it will be a check just from whatever it is a refund check from whatever. And I would just look up in the sky. God, I know this is nobody but you. I'm in ultrasound. I'm scanning this lady. They're like countrywide is on the phone for you. This is my mortgage company. And I'm like, God, you have not given me this house to take it away from me. I just graduated, I got my job. I'm making $19 an hour and at that time they were giving bonuses for if you signed on to stay to work at this hospital for at least a year. So I hadn't gotten my bonus yet. And so I go to the phone. And I'm like, I promise you I'm gonna catch up. I said I just graduated from school. And it was a black lady on the phone and she says, What do you mean, you just graduated? I said, she says, you were in school? And I said, Yes, ma'am. She said, You never told us you were in school. I said y'all never asked. You just was like, We need our money. We need our money. We need our money. And she says no. She says you won't have to pay anything right now. We'll put everything on hold and put all of this on the back. So whenever you get it, you could just start over like new, I'm bawling, crying at work. I go back in here to scan this lady and she thought that I was crying like and I'm like, No, this is happy tears and I'm barely able to get it out and she's praying for me. I'm praying. We having a whole church session in here when I'm supposed to be scanning and finding out the gender of her baby. And it was just like, at that moment, it was like, that's when I learned the faith of a mustard seed. I had read scripture all my life in church, I have been in church my entire life. But that's when my faith and my relationship of what me reading the Bible, and understanding and comprehending what it meant. Some people can go to church and play church. And some people can really go to church and be too churchy. And then some people to me, where I love God, I know God, but he ain't threw with me yet you know what I'm saying and everywhere that I go. I let people know. Yes, I'm a Christian. Yes, I may  cuss you know what I'm saying. But my relationship with him is bigger than anything from what you see. And so many people see people, oh, you go to church, you go to church, you go to church, you go to church, but you're not looking at the person. And God looks at your heart and not just this outer shell what other people look at. So my house was saved, and I'm making more money than I ever had. And now I'm able to take my kids on the first vacation, because I had never been able it was you have to keep going, Yes, you have a dad, but he's only able to pay $125 a month, because this is what the judge said, My daughter, oh, well, you know, he can pay whenever he wants to. So it was they didn't look at me as ever needing anything. But then you want me to go and put people on child support for what when you aren't going to make them do what they're supposed to do. So I don't want anything from you, I'm going to figure it out how I could figure it out. So that's how I became I said, all that that was a lot, wow. And to say it again, like that was a major accomplishment for me to be an ultrasound technician. And I worked in several hospitals, wherever they needed me. So that was the beginning of people seeing my work. And wanting me my name would get to different hospitals. And I would get the job just based Oh, you don't have to fill out an application just based off of merit of my work. And I always was one to want to learn more. So I went to ultrasound for general where you could do OB, you could do abdomen, you could do breast, small parts. So I didn't learn vascular just a little bit until I started working in Cartersville. And they only had an echo lab in general side. So we had to learn vascular, but they wanted to train me how to do vein mapping. And then I learned how to do echo, you want to teach me I'm gonna learn it's gonna look good. You're gonna pay me more money. And I worked out there. And Cartersville is where Marjorie Taylor Greene lives somewhere out there some kind of way. So you can imagine how racist it was out there. But it was the need of one of the girls that worked with that asked me to come out there because she knew I was good at what I did. And so I went out there and worked in again, had to be confronted with racism, but me standing my ground, the very first interview, I've gotten married along the way, some kind of way. And she was like, Is your husband black or white? This is an interview, like, what that got to do with the price of tea in China? Well, his name is Jack Swanson, Jr. Is he black or white? Because the way I was raised, I said, we're gonna stop right here. I don't care how you were raised. This is about me coming to work for the hospital, not just you. So what does that have to do with anything? So again, I had to prove myself. And then it began. I don't want anybody to do this scan, if it's not Suki doing this scan, and then President Obama starts to run for office. And I was like, I can't be here today before election, or the day after election, they were taking stickers off of people's cars, and I made an announcement in the whole radiology department, because I was the second black person working in all of radiology for this hospital for ultrasound. And I said, if anybody touched that red Durango out there, we're gonna have a problem. But I knew I couldn't be there the day before or the day after, because it was gonna be chaos. And just working at that hospital, also taught me to make people be accountable for their actions. Just because you're racist. I'm gonna hold you accountable for it. But then you come in here and one guy had on Confederate socks, Confederate shirt, Confederate hat, Confederate everything, but he yes ma'am me and no ma'am me the entire time. I see you for who you are, you're gonna respect me for who I am. He knew he needed me to help him get the study done. And I'm cool with you. But then on the other hand, I go to the bank, on the phone with my mom, and I'm crossing the street to get to the bank, pickup truck with confederate flag, he flies where he almost hits me to where I had to get back up on the curb, goes around the hand throws his hand out the window, white power bitch. The Sukari that I knew blacked out and was trying to go snatch you out of this truck and my mother's on the phone screaming don't do it go inside of the bank because you don't know what he has in there. I go in there. By this time, I'm crying but it's not scared tears. It's I'm pissed the hell off! Like, who do you think you are? They call Bartow County, police they come. I explained to him. He says, Well, ma'am, unfortunately, you named about just as many pickup trucks out here. And I was like, You know what, you right? But you gon go find that one. Because I know they got cameras on there that could have found this man that did this to me. And then that was like, okay, Sukari. Your term here is up because you're going to end up in jail for having to deal with these ignorant folks out here. But it was still I could have just been this docile meek person went and got what I needed to get out the bank, get in my car and go home, and not hold them accountable to do that to somebody else, you know what I'm saying? So it was, again, started me on this path. Then I go back and I'm working both at South Fulton and this is when we had that horrible snowstorm when cars were stuck on the road, everything and Feminist [Feminist Women's Health Center] calls, and asked me to fill in for Gloria, my friend work there. And this is not This is my first time working in an abortion clinic. And I go through the door, and I'm anxious. And I'm nervous because I'm not knowing what to expect. And everybody is super friendly. And I'm thinking that I'm about to be walking in here to crying and sadness and gloom and doom. And it's the total opposite of all of that. It was just like this warm feeling of everybody showing the people that were waiting in the waiting area love. And I had worked in multiple hospitals, I had worked in multiple clinics at this time GYN clinics, and had never felt this type of energy before. So I'm doing my ultrasound, and I go in the back. And Dr. Middleton is standing there. And I introduced myself. And we just clicked and she was reading The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. And we became best friends after that book. And I was like, I want to work in a clinic like this. And at that time, from there, my name got bounced around to Atlanta Women's Center. And I went over there during the little snow again, and they offered me a job. So that's when I left Cartersville and went to start working in abortion care full time. And it was just this sense of I can't even explain it like peace. Like I had found my community of not only folks that look like me, but had struggled like me or had experiences like me, or wanted the best for their children like me, who were putting themselves first thinking about their kids like I did. That cried like me that listened to me. That validated what I had to say. Each time they came into my room for me to do an ultrasound on them and I had not at that time ever told my abortion story. And didn't feel the need to tell them in that space at that time. But it was the start of me getting the courage to tell my story. So, at that moment of working in that clinic, I began to see different folks come and go. And then I got introduced to the wonderful Oriaku [Njoku], who started working at the clinic downstairs. And learning that they wanted to start with is now ARC [Access Reproductive Care-Southeast]. And me coming downstairs messing with them like, oh, no, I don't like that name. And going back upstairs and coming downstairs was like, oh, that's the name right there. And seeing ARC being built. And then knowing that it was my time to leave Summit, I mean, not Summit, leave Atlanta Women's Center. Because it wasn't because I didn't like working in abortion care. But sometimes, folks that work in abortion care. Management sometimes can be difficult, and don't want to see you succeed. And hate to see folks love you for who you are, when you show up as your authentic self. So I had left and I had went to Greece and Italy. And I knew I didn't want to go back there. But I didn't want to go back into the hospital. And as soon as I got off the plane, Elizabeth from Summit [Medical], had left me a message and said, Do you want to come work for us? And I went over there was like, Yes. And again, it was a whole different world. It was more community being built around me. ARC had started. Ori asked me to be on the board and I ran from it as long as I possibly could then got on the board, and truly began to learn how funding worked. And then I met so many different amazing people on the board that believed in me and pushed me to be a better me. And they taught me how to ground myself. How to say it's okay to say no, how to just be still and listen and observe everything inside of you and not try to pour all of you into others when your cup is completely empty. It's like being a single parent working in the hospital is just go go go go go go. And it was you get close to somebody, you come back to see them in their room and they're gone. And not being able to be taught how to decompress from that. But being in abortion care being in RJ [Reproductive Justice] work, everything is about you decompress so you can continue to pour into somebody's cup because you can't pour into someone if you're empty. And I had in all of my years of working in medical did not know that until I got into RJ.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=16.0,2042.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\n That's incredible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=2042.0,2042.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi  \n\n So I'll pause right there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=2042.0,2047.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nIt's all very rich.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=2047.0,2048.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi  \n\nOkay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=2048.0,2050.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYes. Okay. And maybe I'm gonna switch gears a little bit and ask the hard question. Okay. So this year, so you've been so you've been at the clinic? I think you were referring to the snowpocalypse. Yes, I think was in 2014. Yes. So you've been in abortion care for what's that? Can I count eight years now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=2050.0,2089.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi\n\nIt was more because I was I was filling in when I was still in the hospital, but I wasn't full time. So I think all in all, I think it's been about 10, maybe 11 years now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=2089.0,2101.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nOkay. And so we've obviously experienced a lot of different challenges, especially here in Georgia. And the biggest one being this year in the fall of Roe, with the Dobbs vs. Jackson decision, and then the immediate, the swift six week ban. And so I'm just, could you talk a little bit about the challenges that you saw before? And what are the challenges now after the fall of Roe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=2101.0,2137.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi  \n\nBefore Roe, the only challenge that I felt like I had was, when they were beyond the 21 week and 6 day mark. I didn't like to turn people away. But it was always reassuring to know that they can go to Florida, which went up to 21. I mean, 24 weeks, at that time, that was the closest state for them to get to. Other than that, before Roe, I didn't, it was just, you come in, you know, I always try to make them laugh or smile, or listen, you know, encourage uplift while they were in there. And you know, that was it and just go through your day to day every other life, you know, what you were doing, you know, outside of that. But then when the fall of Roe will before Roe fell. I tried not to think about it because I knew it was going to impact me so hard because ultrasound is the first step and having to tell people No, I was like, how am I going to be able to do this? And I just kept trying to put it in the back of my mind. And all of my movement friends would call doctor friends to check on me. How are you? How are you? How are you? How are you? And then I was trying not to get angry with them because I got tired of people trying to check on me when I didn't even know how I was. And when we had a conference, NAF [National Abortion Federation] had a conference, and we went to the conference, and NAF is very white space. So I'm in this very white space, and seeing all these white people cry and Roe hadn't even fallen and and then there was the leak. And it was like you would have thought it was the end of the world. And here I am still trying to hold my shit together. And not even think about it because I still got to show up for these patients. And so we get back and I'm still working, and I'm helping and I'm working and I'm helping. Still putting this to the back of my mind. And then, we get the message that it's no longer we have to stop right then and there. And I wasn't working that day. But my phone was blowing up. And I remember sitting there thinking that I was no longer a woman anymore. Like I wasn't recognized as a woman. People who identify as women were not recognized for who they are, what they want, or what they wanted to be. I felt like lesser of a person when Roe fell. It was like I felt like I was invisible. I felt like everybody that wanted to get done what they wanted to get done. We're just stripped of everything that was good for them. And it hurts so bad. So bad. And I went into work. And then the I want to say it was the personhood thing or whatever that came through, or I don't remember. But I remember sitting in the back and I was on the phone in the clinic. And I just that was the first time that I actually cried. And I cried so hard. Like I was inconsolable like, because we had had a patient No, this was before. I had a 13 year old who was sexually assaulted and she spoke Spanish. Her mother didn't speak any English and I always, the minors, I always adopt them as my children when they're there. And I said, Do you want me to hold your hand, and the detective was swabbing her cheeks. And I remember her going back out there with her mom, because we were waiting to go to surgery, and I was cussing in that hallway. And I was like, This just doesn't make any bleepy bleep sense. Because, you know, y'all are about to take us to six weeks, you're about to try to force this 13 year old, to be a mom, to be ridiculed to be picked on to be labeled as fast. When it had nothing to do with it. Y'all don't care, men suck this detectives is in there. And he comes and looks around the corner. And I'm like, I don't give a shit. Like, you know, everybody should be as angry as I am. Because y'all just don't get it, you do not get it. I said you are going to have to look in the faces to these folks. And tell them that they can't get done what they need to get done. Fast forward, we take the little girl into the OR and I'm holding her hand before she goes to sleep. And I'm like, an extra question. And she said today would be the day that she would be graduating going into middle school from elementary school. And as soon as she goes to sleep, I started bawling again, because it's like you had to miss your party to have an abortion because somebody wanted to be an asshole. And take advantage of you. And so I remember telling her before she went to sleep that we're going to celebrate her when she wakes up. So she goes into the recovery room, I run over to Sprouts, her favorite color was pink. They only had this sprinkly cakes, so I took that over there. And me, her and her mom and the Spanish translator, were in there having cake with her when she was able to be in recovery. I just wanted to bring some joy to that little girl because of this was not just the abortion, but she had to go through the trial also thinking of what she had to go through there. And then fast forward to the six week ban. And seeing people sit on my table and actually hold their breath until I'm through doing their ultrasound for me to tell them yes or no. Then when we telling them that they're okay to stay them asking me. But what does that mean? Because they cannot flipping grasp what I'm telling them that it's okay to proceed. Like their mind is literally trying to understand this. And I'm like how, how am I going to be able to deal with this day in and day out, day in and day out of seeing somebody holding their breath, seeing somebody cry, seeing somebody who's traveled all the way from Mississippi, Louisiana, and we have to tell them, when you go back across state lines, please don't tell anybody that you've had an abortion, because you can be prosecuted for it. Like me having to educate folks that look like me, brown folks, people of color period of what to do and what not to do. And me being fearful for these people every time they leave out of that door to get to go back home is just is mind boggling. It just makes me so angry. It made me have to go back to therapy because I was you know, I'm not an angry person, but to just be just have all of this anger and I didn't know how to release it and I didn't like who I was because it was changing me. I love ultrasound. I wake up every morning, never saying I don't want to go to work. I don't love what I do. I love what I do. I knew from the time that my dad died, and those nurses helping me and my brother that I knew that I was supposed to be in the medical field. It shifted, but it shifted to where I was truly needed and to do the most beneficial work. And for somebody to tell me that I can't help people. I just didn't know how to deal with that. Was gracious to have a wonderful therapist of color to listen to me that didn't try to make me coddled my emotions and bottled them up and not really let everything out, you know and then now to throw COVID in the midst of all of this bullshit. It was just like y'all, I can't take any more. I can't this right here, I can't. And then I had this aha moment. And it was like, the lawyers telling you what you can do and what you can't do. And I remember sitting in a meeting, and I said, so this bill does not say that I have to put Doppler on here to prove that there's a heartbeat. Because you want me to say that a 0.33 centimeter thing, cell, fetal pole has a heartbeat when you cannot see four chambers of the heart. You cannot. But if you're telling me that I don't have to put Doppler on here, okay, fine. I don't see anything. I don't. And I can't turn people away, based upon this bullshit that y'all have put into place. That's not designed to do anything but cause more harm. Because you weren't trying to do anything to make my community better, you aren't giving my community more resources, you aren't giving my community more affordable health care, affordable daycare, being able to have the ability to have healthy babies be able to have the ability, if I do have a special needs child, that a daycare in my facility that can take care of this child, you're not giving me the need, or the want to if I'm sick, because people can be pregnant and sick the entire nine months to be able to be guaranteed that I will have a job or be able to be off with paid leave not FMLA, you aren't doing that. So everybody that comes in my room, that I can help within reason, according to the state of Georgia, you know, I'm going to help them. And I'm going to encourage them and if I can't help them on my table, and then the worst part of it was, if you come from this state, you can't tell them where they can go, you just got to give them a piece of paper, like they're not even a human being you just give them read the paper. And they'll tell you where to go. So you want me to treat them like they're not even a person. Like their feelings don't matter. You want me to give them a piece of paper to say it. And then of course, the militant side came out and I got creative. Well, you know, you can go to Disney World. That's not telling you where to go. I just say go visit Disney World. That's the closest place that you can go, you know, without telling you. Or you could go to Asheville and go to the mountains. If you can't go to Disney World, because I can't I am a nurturer and a helper, just by every fiber of my being. And for me to tell somebody that I can't help them. I don't know how to do that. But more people were afraid for me to go to jail because they knew that I could not be that helper. I could not show love. I could not show support. And I said, you know, if hopefully God willing, I don't have to go to jail. But if I do I know it'll be for a greater thing. You know what I'm saying? Because somebody before me went to jail for me to be where I am now. And they weren't afraid or if they were afraid, they still knew that they were doing this the right thing. Some people that were murdered knew that it was a possibility that they would be murdered, but they still continued to fight on so I have to find on for them because they don't know how to. And then you have the ones that had an ectopic pregnancy y'all an ectopic pregnancy which is outside of the uterus. She went to the hospital. They did not do an ultrasound. By God's grace and mercy. She came to us I did an ultrasound. She had a belly full of blood. I told her you're going straight to Grady. She lived in Macon. She called back she says Suki you saved my life. I was so angry. I wanted to fight those people at the hospital. Any person with a uterus of childbearing age that come in presenting with pain you should do an ultrasound but because of this stupid bill, they are not doing that to people they're sending them away tell them to go to their GYN doctor. You can't do that. It's gonna be so many people that look like me that die because y'all are stupid. There's no other way around it or people calling with a with a known ectopic pregnancy, but they can't be seen in the emergency room. They want to come to the clinic. And I'm like baby if you come here only thinking I'm going to do is send you to the hospital where I know people that think like me will help you. But that's not every true to all of the parts of Georgia, the rural south is still the rural south, if they even damn have a hospital or GYN that they can go and see. So say all of that I'm pissed, but I'm not gon give up. I'm pissed, I will continue to fight, I am pissed. And I will still find a way to be able to show up from our community. And just be as supportive and just be Suki and love on em and encourage em to keep going and know that if you can't get it here, there's still other places where you can get it done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=2137.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd that brings us to our last question. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=3060.0,3063.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee\n\nCan I ask one question? What is it like doing this work as a Christian? is? What is your Christian community feel about you working on abortion care?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=3063.0,3079.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi  \n\nMy church is. Well, when I joined the church, I went and sat down and talked to my pastor was like, Hey, so I work in an abortion clinic. And this is me. So you know, I just became a member. But I'm just letting you know that you might see me on TV, you might see me on a protest. But I'll be sitting in here and still ushering because I'm an usher. But if you do not feel like I am the person for this organization here, this church, let me know my feelings will not be hurt. So they support me. They know what I do. And I wish in a world without stigma and shame other Christians, or folks that are of faith had the same support system from their churches also. Because black folks, you know, that's not something that you sit around and you talk about at the table, it's you're getting married first you have babies, it's you can't do both. And if you are of faith, the hell you say you having an abortion, you know, but I went to them. And I was honest and transparent with them. And I distinctly remember our first lady. I think this is when HB 41 first manifested itself. And I was at the Capitol, and she saw me on TV, and I came into church. And I was like, Okay, let's see what this is about to be like, and she came to me and she said, You know, I don't believe in abortion, but I believe in what you're doing. And I cried at church, because I was like, what the First Lady said this to me, she said, I applaud you for using your voice for those that cannot. And that meant so much to me, because you still recognize what I was doing as good. Even if you didn't believe it. I'm not saying everybody has to believe in abortion, but do not put the person down because of what they believe in, you know what I'm saying we could still exist without liking everything the same. Or you know what I mean? So that meant a lot to me when she said that to me. Like, it may be some things that I don't like about, you know, something, but I'm not just gonna just dog that person, because that's what they want to do. But I wish the black community would talk about it around the dinner table. I wish that we would talk about sex. In general, you know, where to go and get protection, where to go get tested more, you know, we see it more on TV of those things to be able to do and to get the resources, but the black community, the black church, it's the shame still around it. And it's sad. 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God is going to judge me. I stopped them right there. I said, that's not what God is. God is love. And he will forgive you over and over again and he will accept you back no matter what you do. You know, so hold your head up. I don't care what your pastor said. I don't care what your mama said. I don't care what anybody said. This is you taking the first step of thinking about yourself, your mental, your physical, your emotional well being. And I am proud of you for thinking about what you can handle and what you can't handle. So don't think that God is not going to love you, because that's not who he is. Period. You know, and I'll tell them, you know, I'm a Christian, and they'll look at me like, What do you mean, you're a Christian, you work in an abortion facility. I say, yeah girl, I'm going to church on Sunday, you know, and you they'll think that's funny. And I'm like, No, and I said, I've been where you are. And they don't believe that. I've been on this very table that you've been on. You don't know my story, just like, I don't know your story. But I don't want you to think that you are not validated. Because you think that what someone else said, is the gospel because that's not the gospel. And then they kind of like, feel better or ask, can they give me a hug, or, you know, that type thing? You know, many people will say, I'm in church. Funny story, about to get baptized, and I'm on an ARC board meeting call. I'm like, okay, y'all, it's time for me to go get baptized, you know, because I love both. Both things can coexist. You know what I'm saying? Because that's just who God is. God is love everywhere, period, no matter what, where, who, how. And that's just, you know, but again, you have to be able to verbalize that, and let it resonate with people, and just keep saying it over and over again until they believe it. But you know, you have this Nope, you know, be going to hell, because if that was case, all of us would be damned going to hell, you know what I'm saying? For whatever reason, or however, or whatever. But that's not what it is, it's that's not what it is. And then some Christians look at me and think that I'm not a Christian, because I work in an abortion clinic. They think that I'm not a Christian, because I believe in rights for everybody. They think that I'm not a Christian, because I'm saying that bathroom can say whatever. If I got to pee, I'm going in there to pee. I don't care what it says on the door, and you shouldn't either. If a person wants to be transgender, they want to be straight, they want to be whatever, you want to use a pronoun that learn how to use them. What is it gonna hurt, it's not gonna hurt anything. But then I get looked at like, Oh, she a fake Christian. She's not a real Christian. But then if I really let that bother me, then I would not be about love. 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Okay, our last question, which is more hopeful is what does reproductive liberation look like to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=3475.0,3494.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sukari Olawumi \n\nTo be honest, right now, just with the way everything is? That's a hard question. And it's an emotional question because I want to be hopeful. The liberation that I want is for this judge to say that we can continue on in the next couple of days whenever he makes his ruling. The liberation that I want to see is that folks don't have to come across state lines. The liberation that I want to see is that abortion is normal. Having a healthy baby is normal. That it's health care. That people don't have to be afraid. That you can have an abortion. And it not be a sad occasion that it could be a joyous occasion and that you're not looked at some kind of way because you're happy because they don't know that it could have saved your life or their life. Liberation would be for me to see everybody in the street together, saying that is just okay and not to make it be a dirty thing and that they think that our bodies matter and that my two granddaughters, will not have to go through what so many people are going through now. And that those of us that are fighting every day will not get burned out and just give up. Because I know it's hard. And it's taken a toll on us. But we keep going. But I need to know that when I look behind me, I have somebody else to pass the torch to. This is going to give it the same all that we do. And all the people that is in our community right now. Continue to do and that folks like y'all will train up the next generation to continue what y'all are doing right now because this so important. And that for folks that don't know, or their light, or their flame has not been lit yet that you will reach those people to just start that little bit of spark and let it take off because it scares me so much that so many people behind me and behind y'all aren't gonna have that same passion and drive. And that there won't be any more Gorham's and I can't... Sister Love, Monica Simpson's, and everybody Kwajelyn, like all of the Ori's and everything like that to see and to know that it's the best thing but liberation for me is just freedom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=3494.0,3779.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  1:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090#t=3779.0,3779.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150110/file/276090/transcript/94389/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think this is a good place to stop. 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