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Requests for permission to publish should be directed to: \u003ca href=\"mailto:info@georgiadusk.com\"\u003einfo@georgiadusk.com\u003c/a\u003e.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Preferred Citation"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eTyson, Khye. “We know that queer folks are everywhere.” Interviewed by Ashby Combahee \u0026amp; Dartricia Rollins. 25 September 2022, Georgia Dusk: a southern liberation oral history, georgiadusk.com. \u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Georgia Dusk: a southern liberation oral history"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eKhye Tyson (they/them) is an unapologetic southern queer Black femme who enjoys yoga, building community, laughing, subverting the gender binary, and reminding people that they can fire their doctors. Khye is a sacred transition guide, entrepreneur, healer, consultant, and educator. As the founder of Kuluntu Reproductive Justice Center (founded in 2018), Khye is working toward a world in which Black women and femmes can live, thrive, and raise healthy families freely within a healthy community. Khye loves to hike, sew, thrift, create art, sing, and dream of a world in which education is intuitive and culturally responsive. They are originally from Nashville, TN, and currently reside in Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Duration"]},"value":{"en":["02:17:08"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eKhye Tyson (they/them) is an unapologetic southern queer Black femme who enjoys yoga, building community, laughing, subverting the gender binary, and reminding people that they can fire their doctors. Khye is a sacred transition guide, entrepreneur, healer, consultant, and educator. As the founder of Kuluntu Reproductive Justice Center (founded in 2018), Khye is working toward a world in which Black women and femmes can live, thrive, and raise healthy families freely within a healthy community. Khye loves to hike, sew, thrift, create art, sing, and dream of a world in which education is intuitive and culturally responsive. They are originally from Nashville, TN, and currently reside in Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCopyright to this material is held by Georgia Dusk: a southern liberation oral history. 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We are interviewing Khye Tyson for Georgia Dusk: a southern liberation oral history project. Today is Sunday, September 25 2022. And we are conducting this oral history at the yes, please: a bookhouse and carespace in Scottsdale, Georgia. Khye you have been asked to participate in Georgia Dusk an oral history conducted by Ashby Combahee and Dartricia Rollins. This project is partnered with the Spelman College archives, a component of the Woman's Research and Resource Center founded by iconic black feminists, Dr. Beverly Guy Sheftall and which serves to document the experiences of contemporary black feminist scholars, activists and cultural workers. The purpose of Georgia Dusk is to gather and preserve firsthand narratives of organizers and cultural workers who have a connection to Georgia and who are part of the Southern Freedom Movement. The oral history interviews provide elements of history that are often not apparent in traditional archival documents or dominant media. The interviews enable participants to reclaim the narrative and historical representation of liberation movements throughout Georgia. When used with other research materials, the oral histories helped to provide a more holistic view of history. So Khye, can you please introduce yourself by saying your name, pronouns, age and your work in the field of reproductive justice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=2.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nYeah, my name is Khye Tyson. I am 32 years old. My pronouns are they/them. And I am a doula a childbirth educator, an educator, a healer. In a black and queer provocateur, I'll say, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=92.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nAnd we'll get into all of these things,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=120.0,121.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nof course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=121.0,122.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nBut before we get to our first deep question about your life, who do you dedicate your oral history to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=122.0,128.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson\n\nHmm. I dedicated to my grandmamas. All my grandmamas. The ones that I knew, the ones I didn't know. The ones related to me, the ones not related to me. Yeah, I'll specifically shout out Bernetha Day. My father's mother's mother, Katherine Tyson. That's my father's father's mother. Ladell Blue. Who is my mother's mother. See her mother, Velma Flowers Fauci. And my mom's dad's mom, who is Doy Blue. So I will shout out them specifically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=128.0,183.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nThank you. So starting at the beginning of your life, where and when were you born? Where were you raised and who raised you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=183.0,193.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah, so I was born in Nashville, Tennessee. I was raised in Nashville up until I was 11. I think. Yeah. 11. And then we moved back to Dickson, Tennessee. So my mom's side of the family is from Dickson, Tennessee. It's like 45 minutes outside of Nashville. And now that Nashville is growing, I think it's officially a suburb. But it wasn't a suburb like 20 years ago, this was like the sticks. I grew up in a house with both my parents and an older brother and a younger sister. But as black families are my family was a little bit more complicated than what it looked like. I have two other siblings who didn't live in the house with us. They had a different mom. And so I grew up with two of my siblings. And my other two siblings I didn't grow up with as much so, we saw them like once a month maybe. But then we had a big extended family and a big community. When we lived in Nashville, we lived in a neighborhood. We lived in Antioch, which is a suburb, I guess, of Nashville. It's a part of Nashville. But our neighborhood was like maybe like 75% black and it was one of those neighborhoods where like all the kids were around the same age. So we would like play after school together and we would you know, look out for each other and things like that. But even like my parents and my best friend's parents across the street, they would like help each other out. So like my mom would take us to school, and then their mom would pick us up or like when you went to camp and we all rode the camp together and we even - I used to, like go around telling people that they were my brother and sister, because we looked out for each other in that way, even though we weren't necessarily family. You know, and it wasn't just that one family there are multiple families on the block that we like looked after each other and we will go to like vacation Bible schools, one family up the road. And then if my parents were going after school, we would go to so and so's house until my parents got back, things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=193.0,326.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nBut then my extended family, like I said, is in Dickson, Tennessee, my mom's side. And my mom is one of seven. So she, it's a big family. So had cousins and aunties and uncles and stuff that still lived in Dickson. And we moved back there when I was 11. And so then, before we moved back to Dickson, we would go back like maybe once a month or so and like my grandmama would do Sunday dinner every Sunday. And so we would go back and have Sunday dinner and hang out with the family. But then we moved back and we were at Sunday dinner every week. And we basically stayed with my grandparents because both my parents worked overnight. And so the nights that they were both at work, we stayed at my grandma's house. And so yeah, that was where we spent a lot of our childhood was at her house or with other family members. Me and all the cousins, we would all be over at Grandma's house watching Power Rangers or whatever. A lot of my childhood was either with my grandmama, with our neighbors at home and we were very much like latchkey kids. Like our parents both worked full time. And, you know, sometimes we would be home alone a lot earlier probably than kids now. Like kids are like 14 now and they're like, I don't know if I could trust leaving my kid home alone. I was eight and we were like making lunch during the summer. We were like, it was fine. Um, but yeah, I would say besides my parents, my grandparents, aunties, uncles, friends' parents were really big in my childhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=326.0,426.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee \n\nIt sounds like most of your family was in kind of a western part of Tennessee. Were their extended family outside of Tennessee that you were close to at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=426.0,436.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah. Yeah, um, I mean, not as close because we didn't get to see them in person, but like my dad's side, so... My dad's parents, they live in New York. Newburgh, it's like a it's like on the other side of the Hudson River from New York City. It's like an hour away. So they still live there in the same house that they moved into in like the 60s. So my grandparents, they're both my dad's side. Both of my grandparents are from North Carolina. And so they ended up meeting at an HBCU I think Fayetteville State, and I think that still exists. But Fayetteville State and they met there and welcome week, and a year later they were married with a kid. So that happened, right. That happened rapidly. But my dad is one of three. So they had three kids and my dad's oldest. So then they both dropped out of college moved back up to New York because my grandma- So my grandpa's said they were still in North Carolina. And my grandma said they had migrated up to New York. At some point. I don't know when but they moved back up to New York after they had my dad. I think because my great grandma, Bernetha Day was up there. And so yeah, and they live in that same house today. So they're, there. My other people on my dad's side of my family kind of sprinkled around. I have some family in Detroit. I have some family in- my great uncle, they moved back to North Carolina after they retired. Who else? I have a cousin in D.C. area. I think they're somewhere in the DMV. My dad's side is not as big so so I think that's most of them. Yeah, Detroit, New York, North Carolina. And we would go and see. We wouldn't see them as often because it's kind of far from Tennessee. But we would go to my grandma's house. We went there one summer. I think she was like retiring. She was a school teacher. And she had like a retirement party. We like drove up there, it was like 15 hours. And sometimes we would go to the beach in North Carolina and like my family would get a big ole- rent a big ole beach house and be like 25 of us in the house. And it'd be me and my side of the family and then my dad has two brothers, so my two uncles and their kids, and my grandparents, and my great uncles - my grandpa's brothers - so he would come. And like it was the whole family and so we would only do that every couple of years. Because we're so spread out. But um, yeah, yeah, it's just harder to be close. Or at least it was harder for me at the time because as a kid, it's kind of whoever you're around, your proximity. And so we would talk to him on the phone, you know, they'd send us like birthday presents in the mail and stuff, but it wasn't necessarily the same as like, Sunday dinner every Sunday at my other grandma's house. So yeah, they were there. And I love my dad's side of the family, I just don't get to see him as much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=436.0,563.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nWhat is the significant memory that you have from childhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=563.0,636.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nA positive memory or just any?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=636.0,639.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nAnything that made an impact on you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=639.0,640.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nyeah, are those traits that you see other family members. I wonder if you swim with your siblings or cousins, friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=640.0,640.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nAnything that comes up? Okay, let's see. I used to, well I still do love the water. When we would go to the beach, they would always have to watch me because I would try to go out as far as I could. I'd be like seven years old and they'd be like child what is wrong with you? And I will be just in the ocean living my best life talking to mommy water, I guess because I just be out there. And one of my cousin's he's like 6'7\". One time, he had to like, reach grabbed me, so I wouldn't get pulled away. I was just living my best life and not concerned at all. But like, I took swimming lessons as a kid and my one of my friend's dad who lived down the street. He used to call me underwater baby. And like, I was just always the pool, the ocean, the lake, the river. I was always trying to be in somebody's water. So yeah, they would have to watch me. I do remember that. And even they used to tell me when I was younger,  I think we went to like Myrtle Beach or something when I was like two, and they said they had to keep watching because you know, most toddlers they're like kind of scared of the water. They don't know what's happening. Not me. I was just going. I was thinking about that the other day, just like that very prominent theme, I guess of water in my life. And I'm not necessarily a swimmer or anything like that. I just like being in the water. And I don't know, I guess it's always I've always been attracted to it. In one way or another. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=640.0,691.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nright, yeah, we would all like when we went to the beach, we would all be in the water. Like I don't think there were any of us who were like scared of it or didn't want to be in it. Like we would all be there and like body surfing and whatever else. But I don't know, I think I was always  trying to go more than everyone else. So I don't know if that if that's like a thing that runs through the family or anything like that. I'm trying to think if anybody is like a prominent swimmer, my family, but I don't think so. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=691.0,786.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nSo thinking again about memories, and I'm wondering if there's an event that was significant to you in your childhood. And it can be more than one too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=786.0,799.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nMmm hmm. Okay, so something that came to mind. I was maybe like 13, 14. So I have I told you, my mom was one of seven. And we will go to my grandma's house for Sunday dinner every week and my uncle, my mom's-  is he the oldest brother. I think so the oldest brother. His name is Uncle George. And he got into a motorcycle accident in like the early 80s. And the only thing my mom would ever say Is he wrapped his motorcycle around a tree. And you know, I'm like four years old. And I'm like, literally thinking that that's, you know what happened, but I think she was saying he was riding without a helmet. And so he got in this accident. And he had basically traumatic brain injury and was like bedridden for the rest of his life. But my grandparents were his caregivers. And so he lived in the house and he had like, his setup was like the hospital bed and they would have to turn him and change him and feed him and like all these different things. So he was bedridden for like 20 years and some change a little bit more than 20 years. So he passed away when I was, yeah, things like 1314 It was right before Christmas, like a week or two before Christmas. And we were all at Sunday dinner. And then my and I was the older cousin. I'm kind of in between two sets cousins I have older cousins that are like 10 plus years older than me who are all like- now they're all like in their 40s plus, and they have kids and one of them has grandkids and like they're way older. And then I had younger cousins who were all like at least five years younger than me. And I have like a younger sister. So there was like all of them. And I will kind of be the babysitter for the younger cousins. And so we were at Sunday dinner, and I think my grandma realized he wasn't breathing. And they ended up having a call, like an ambulance and all that to, you know, to make sure that or to see what happened. And it turned out that he had passed away. And they said he had a stroke, I think like a day or two before, and he had passed away, but nobody had necessarily noticed when it happened. And so I just remember, like, we were there at Sunday dinner, and I knew there was a whole bunch of commotion happening. I wasn't 100% sure what was happening, but like, I just knew, so my auntie lived across the street. So I just knew like, okay, gather up all the kids and go across the street until, you know, everything is figured out. And so I remember that was the first time I saw my grandmama cry. And that was I think that was the first time I had experienced death so closely. I guess that wasn't the first time I've been to a funeral. I remember I've been to a funeral. But I'd never been in the room or in the house when someone passed away. And so yeah, just remember that being and then might have been the closest death that I had experienced too. So I just remember that being a really prominent moment where I yeah, like seeing your grandmama cry that does something to you. I don't know. Like, you know, she, like I said she'd been taken care of and they've been taking care of him for 20 plus years, like every day, they had to get like a home health nurse if they wanted to go out to eat or both go to church or something like that. So that that really rocked us as a family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=799.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nI'm wondering, what was it like for you seeing like your family, like be caretakers? As someone who...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1023.0,1035.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah, is was a caretaker? Yeah, it's embedded. It's embedded, like I can't separate the caretaking part from the culture. From my family history, and the memories that I have, I can't like it's- Caretaking is like a central part of I don't want to say my whole family but at least like my relationship, or my how I view my grandparents how I viewed a lot of the elders in my family because grandmama like, not only was she taking care of Uncle George, but she was like grandma's house was the spot for all the cousins. And, you know, Mom was at work or wherever, like we were all there. So she was just constantly there was always somebody at the house. If it wasn't the kids. It was you know, so and so. You know, and their partner broke up and they're moving back for a little bit or my uncle they were moving back to Tennessee but like they were building a house and the house wasn't ready so they stay there for a few months. Like there was always somebody in the house. And like yeah, between Sunday dinner and the physical caretaking that I saw like, yeah, I connect a lot of my blackness, my southern blackness, my country blackness, to caretaking. And in community. That's how I connect to community like that. There's a central element of caretaking. We're not just like sitting around looking at each other, we're caring for each other, we're making food for each other. We're, you know, stepping in to communally parent where yeah, we're caring for each other in this in this really deep way  that is a privilege I think for you know, not everybody has that. It kind of breaks my heart that not everybody has that because I think there's a lot to be said for unspoken expectations when it comes to caretaking and not setting boundaries and all that because there was a point when my grandma mom was like I'm done raising our kids. Like I'm you know, 70 something years old or I'm however old, I'm done like don't this was the last one who you know, this little one is the last one. Y'all can figure it out elsewhere, please, I'm tired. So I think that seeing that was also a really big thing like there is a limit to the amount of give that a black woman has. Especially when she has seven kids and she's spent her whole life caring for people. And she was one of eight and she was like right in the middle. So I'm sure there was some caretaking there and when she was younger as well. So I think about that a lot about, you know all these unspoken expectations where the labor ends up on a black woman's shoulders. That's not okay either. And you know, community doesn't mean one or two people sacrifice for the whole of or for the good of everybody else. Because eventually she got tired of making Sunday dinner she got tired of like she was, you know, she spent all this money on food and time and effort. And then nobody shows up after a while, like people wouldn't show up and things like that. She would get frustrated. And so I yeah, I think about a lot. And I think about like, as much as caretaking is an important role in a sacred role in a community like you can't, one person can't do it. Because then even after she passed away, nobody's picked up the mantle for Sunday dinner and nobody. And my mom was like, I don't want all these people in my house. Like I don't want to be cleaning up after people and all that she's very much like, I don't want it. And I get it. And again, how much of the culture are we losing? Or how much of our relationships are we losing because we're just not connecting with each other in the same way? Not that anybody any one person should take on all that labor unless they really want to. But yeah, we got to find a way to spread out the work a little bit so that people can be a part of community and not just pile everything onto one person as the workhorse. I don't think that's fair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1035.0,1301.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee \n\nYou mentioned being the babysitter for the younger kids growing up. So I'm wondering how that, like, how was that meant for you as your grandmother's like, I need to pass the baton on. What does that mean for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1301.0,1314.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson\n\nI mean... well, I'll say because I went away to college. And I don't think anybody my family expected me to stick around because Dickson, Tennessee, it's small town. So like, there's nothing to do but like drugs and get pregnant. And as a black person, that's even less things to do. Because there are, you know, it's the country you got to watch out for racist white people. So most of my babysitting was like as a kid, so where kids were staying the night at Grandma's house that didn't necessarily like fall on my shoulders when she was like, I'm done. And I feel like she also said that after I had went to college, so the work didn't follow me. So I'm grateful for that. But she she was tired. One of my Aunties, my Uncle Rusty, his wife, or both of them they didn't have any kids and they were always like the cool auntie and uncle. Their house- like my my uncle played instruments and he would teach you how to play the drums and stuff like that auntie and uncle so they started kind of watching some of the other kids but yeah, I'm grateful that the burden did not fall on me because I would have been that would have probably sent me over the edge. Like I said, we were latchkey kids, and like my youngest sister's five years younger than me and my mom will never admit to it, but I was basically the reason why she stayed alive because if it was up to her, she was slicing her finger off with knives and like putting pennies in the electrical sockets and stuff. So I don't know, she was she was a risky- what's the opposite of risk averse? A risk seeking child she was always doing something but my parents would work and so it would be me making sure that she was you know, her homework was done and she had a snack and she had a bath and different things like that. So a lot of that caretaking in those unspoken expectations did follow me in our immediate household but not so much with the extended family. Like they would pay me for you know, watching my cousins or something. But for my siblings, and even for honestly, my oldest brother. He had a kid, she's 17 now but when she was a baby, you know, he never paid me to watch her. He never paid me to watch. And it'd be like hours, you know, we'll be back in a couple of hours and it's like six hours later. Come on, like Nah, you need to start paying me but, there was there was a lot of that. When I was younger and very much like older sibling, watch out for your sibling and like, \"can I go to the mall with my friends?\" \"take your sister.\" Like it was always that I hated it. I hated it so much. But as an adult I can see where all of that kind of plays into the work that I do and the lane that I'm in. But at the time, I very much resented it because I didn't have a I didn't feel like I had a choice. You know, I feel like I couldn't really say no. That it was expected of me to take care of my sister, whereas I have an older brother who didn't have all those expectations lumped onto him. So gender discourse at a very young age, because I'm like this i righty, there. How come? I'm the one you have a perfectly able bodied young boy right there. But somehow it all falls on me. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1314.0,1537.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nWhen do you think you started picking up on that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1537.0,1544.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nUm, um, maybe when I was like, I don't know, 8, 9, 10 ish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1544.0,1553.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nThat's pretty young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1553.0,1555.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I like my dad. So my dad was in the military, and he was in the guard. So he will be gone. Like, one weekend, a month was a one weekend, a month and two weeks a year. And so whenever he would be gone, or whenever it would be like, for whatever reason, my dad was out of the house. Oh, you're the man of the house now to my brother. And I would be looking at him. Like, he doesn't do anything. So like, which honestly, that tracks but um, yeah, like, I was just like, he's been on the house, but nothing else. You know, no one said anything. Beyond that. It's not like you haven't been in the house. So I'm gonna teach you how to protect someone or how to kill bugs or, you know, something that masculine folks are supposed to do. But he didn't. You know, we had chores. But somehow I knew how to do laundry. But he didn't. And I'm like, how do you have to ask me every time if a white shirt with green letters on it is goes in the white clothes or the color clothes like I don't- every time? So things like that, like the learned helplessness I think I picked up on the older we got. And the more I'm like, now you're three years older than me. And if I can do this, there's no reason why you can't do this. But I noticed it more I think the older we got, and when we got to like teenager life and you know, curfews and what he's allowed to get away with versus what I'm allowed to do. And all of that because I wasn't I basically couldn't leave the house. My curfew was like 10 o'clock or something ridiculous. Like the last movie's not even done by then. But my brother could be out until one and two in the morning. No problem, no consequence. So I would notice things like that. frequently. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1555.0,1656.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYou mentioned I love to do that. He said like not only southern but your country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1656.0,1661.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nThere's a difference is different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1661.0,1663.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nThere's a difference? Yes. So what was it like growing up in the country and like also, like outside of even your community, your family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1663.0,1676.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nThat's the thing. Nashville might not seem, I don't know how people view Nashville outside of people from Nashville, but like, it might not seem like a city, but it's a city, especially compared to Dickson. And it might not be a big city, but it's still like, has a lot of the characteristics of a city and so like growing up, like my school was multicultural, or maybe not multicultural, but there were a lot of different types of people there. And like, I'd say my day to day life didn't feel all that country like we lived in a suburb like, everything was pretty. Like I did dance class and stuff. So it wasn't necessarily like oh, we were barefoot running in the field so much in my day to day life. But then like seeing where my family came from, being around my grandparents and like that's country. So my grandmama's brother, he opened up a barbecue restaurant in Dickson and it's still open and my cousin runs it. She's my mom's first cousin so I don't know what that makes me but basically my Yeah, my great uncle's daughter who's my mom's age. They run it and like we would just walk down to the barbecue spot and we would get barbecue and you know on a random Tuesday or whatever and something about that just feels real country that we just have barbecue on demand like with the family discount. But yeah, Dickson is very country, We didn't really as a kid when we were in Dickson we were at Grandma's house so it wasn't a whole lot of like just being like out in town or anything like that. But I just remember if we would like go to the store anything I would just be amazed at how many old white people there were and I'm just like wow, I see like no children. I see no, not really a whole lot of other black people. Oh like all the black people in Dickson are related. Basically that's another country thing like small town you are really to just about every black person you see, and like, I think there's like three or four big families basically. And if you're not part of the one of the three or four families like we don't know where you came from, somehow you ended up in Dickson, but you definitely like my brother accidentally went on a date with his cousin one time. Like, you gotta you gotta watch for things like that. So, you know, country in those kinds of ways, I guess, but still close enough to the city that it wasn't completely like you weren't completely isolated from modern technology and all that. So. But yeah, like, I just think about country as far as like, I guess my family's like the way that we existed and like, the way my grandma would say words, like she would say, urnyun, instead of onion. And she would say, like, very much like, old school AAVE like that. I don't even hear from our generation. And I honestly think we're losing our language. But like, I just think about some of the words that she would say, and my hat and know what she was talking about when I was a child. But now I'm like, oh, that's what you're saying. Okay, but she would say, Yeah, tell me your opinion. She was say, hug my nake. And it took me I was like, 12, before I realized she was saying, hug my neck. And I'm like, oh, that's what you're saying, okay. And warsh and coarch instead of coach. She was, like, Ara, for the letter R. So it was just like, things like that, that. I mean, both of my grandparents talk like that. And a lot of my aunties and uncles still do, and it's, it's, it's country. And I just, I love hearing it now, because I don't hear very often, but as a kid, I was like, why did it you know, why did people, different people talk from different places, or talk differently based off of where they're from? I think I was just like, I don't know, I was so fascinated with being in the city Monday through Friday, then on the weekends, I'd be at my grandma's house like this is a whole different, like, everybody goes to church on Sunday. And like just the way that I don't know, the way that things were set up. Like, my granddaddy knew everybody, he was like a city council member. So he literally knew everybody, we would go anywhere. And he'd be just waving and talking to people. And I'm like, I can't even fathom knowing every single person that I happen to run into at the store. Like I don't, it's wild. So things like that, that I just I don't know, I think it was as uniquely country, like Nashville might be Southern, but Nashville is not as country is, is going to the smaller towns. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1676.0,1959.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nDid that answer your question? I hope so. I feel like I'm kind of rambling a little bit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1959.0,1967.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nNo everything you say is valuable, I think it gives us a clearer understanding of where you're coming from and how you became you. I know there are things from your childhood, that we're probably still gonna want to circle back to but I want to hear about you going away for college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1967.0,1984.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah. Um, so when I was in, let me back up a little bit. My household was not a great place for me to be in as a child, all right, yeah. As a child, teenager, so I was ready to go. I was like, get me out of here on the first thing, not only were we in Dickson, Tennessee, I was also mentally I don't want to say mentally ill knowing what I know now, but I was definitely I would say I was depressed. For lack of a better word. Um, you know, I was just not I didn't want to move back. Dickson. I was just not enjoying it. I wasn't allowed to go anywhere. I couldn't, I could barely leave the house. And I was, you know, a baby queer trying to figure out why it feels so different. And I hadn't figured it out at that point. But I say all that to say I was ready to go. My dad was I don't want to say I don't know, emotionally abusive, maybe. Yeah, I would say emotionally abusive, and I was just, I was ready to go. I was like, when I would get really mad or really frustrated, I would look up University of Hawaii. And be like, get me out of here. My mom, my mama said you can go anywhere you want as long as you get a full ride and I had good grades. So I was like, okay, bet like and I was I was the smart ass child so like you give me some kind of challenge like that like okay, you said on October 3 2003 I can go anywhere I want as long as I got a full ride. Here you go. I'm going. That was me as a child and it's still me to a certain extent. And so I ended up of course my mom said that but then she Well, I don't want you to go too far away. Well, I don't want you to, you know, I want to be able to get to you something happens and blah, blah, blah. So I was like, Okay, I guess. But she wanted me to go to Spelman. And if she hadn't pushed so hard, maybe I would have ended up at Spelman. But I did not want to go to Spelman, because she told me to go to Spelman. So here we are. Um, but I ended up going to Western Kentucky University. And I remember I went on college tours a couple of different places. And like Tennessee had the Hope Scholarship, like the lottery scholarship, and my mom was like, Don't you want to stay in state so you can get this lottery scholarship. And I was like, I, I look, you said full ride. Like, I think I got decent enough grades, I can pull that off. And so my plan was to go somewhere, not anywhere, that was like too high, I guess, as far as like achievement, like if I, my plan was to go somewhere that was kind of average. So that like, if I go with really good grades, they're gonna want to give me a full ride. And it worked. So I went to Western Kentucky, they gave me a full ride because I applied to some other places, and they weren't trying to give me as much money. And so they also had a program at Western where like if you live in certain counties in border states like Tennessee, Indiana, Illinois, maybe even like West Virginia, even Georgia, actually, there was a couple of counties in Georgia that like if you're from those counties, you get it's like in state tuition plus like 25% or something like that, instead of out of state tuition. Yeah. So and then if you had a certain GPA or whatever, then you would just get full in state tuition. So that's what I ended up doing. So I got in state tuition. And then they gave me a scholarship on top of that. And I was like, Alright, y'all, I'm out like, bye. And I still came home for the first I think two summers, but like, I went to school. And I think I was visiting home like once a month ish. And like, the only reason why I really wanted to go home was for Sunday dinner, because I didn't really want to be in my parents house. I didn't hate being in my parents house. But I didn't love it either. Like if I could choose between that and being at school, or rather stay at school. But like, Sunday dinner was my big thing. I was like, I want to go see my whole extended family and you know, interact with them and all that like I used to. And you know, yeah, I would go home maybe like once a month or so until somebody did something to make me mad. And then I would I would not come home for a little bit. Let me think. Yeah, I came home for a couple of summers and I will come home for like Christmas break. But for the most part, I was not trying to be at home like my brother went away to college. And he like, literally my parents moved him in on like Friday. By Saturday, he was back in Dickson and everybody's looking at him like you have an out, go! Like there's so many people in Dixon who are looking who are begging for an out and my brother came back voluntarily and everybody was like. And then he ended up having a baby like a few months later. And you know, surprising to no one. Because this kind of thing that happens in small towns, I feel like it's like a vortex you just kind of get caught up in it. And if you don't have an out, you know, sports or grades or, you know, marrying rich or something, then like you're kind of stuck there. And so yeah, a lot of my family is- I don't I mean, some people choose to stay there. Let me not say like that. But yeah, there was definitely like, nobody expected me to stay. Nobody expects me to come back. They're like, yeah, we already we already knew you was gonna be gone. Even before I came out. They were like, Yeah, you. You're the smart one. You're not gonna, you know, stay around here. So yeah, that was me going off to college. And you know, after 17 years of being sheltered and not allowed to do anything, I kind of didn't know what to do with myself. But I didn't I didn't go off the deep end as far as like partying and stuff. But I didn't. I definitely was like, What do I want my life to be like now that I'm away from, you know, folks who were trying to limit me to only doing certain things and so, my third semester of college, my first year, my first semester, my sophomore year, I studied abroad, so I was planning to do it and I had to like get a passport and all these different things and it was like January my freshman year, and my mom did not want me to go. She tried to keep me from getting my passport. She was like, \"Are you sure you want to go?\" and like my mom wasn't- I say that she's scared of her own shadow. And she kind of is scared of her own shadow. Like she'll still do certain things if they're in her comfort zone. But like me, I'm like, No, I want to live life. I want to go and see things I want to, you know, experience what's out there? And she's like, Yeah, aren't you scared? isn't that scary? Like, a little bit, but that's part of it, you know, and she's just like, study abroad like, No, you are not gonna study abroad like she if it was up to her, I would not have gone. But I had just turned 18 in my first semester of college, so I wasn't even 18 when I left. But I was like, nah I'm 18, you can't tell me what to do. I'm going, I don't care. I'm out. Bye. But I remember like, what was it like the end of my first semester, and I was failing one of my classes, because I had no business taking it. It was anatomy and physiology. And I was a nursing major for a hot second when I first started college, so I figured that it would be a softer blow, if I told my mom before my grades came in, that I was going to fail than if I waited until the grade hits and she just saw it. So I was like, Okay, I think I'm gonna fail this class. I'm on the phone with her. And she's like, Well, do you think you went to college too early? Do you think you should come home? You know, we can wait a year. And I'm like, I was like, looking at the phone like, girl, you cannot- you can not pay me to go back. I don't- nope, no thank you. There's no way. I don't care. If I fail all these classes, I'm not going back. So yeah, and there were many times like throughout college where I was like, I really want to take a break, take a semester off or something, or, you know, just not be in school. But I knew that if I wasn't in school, that it would be a lot harder for me to stay out of the house for me to, you know, stay away from from my family. And so that was kind of my- and plus, I had a scholarship and I didn't want to lose it either. Because I knew that if I didn't have a scholarship, that will make it a whole lot harder. And I was just determined to stay living my adult life away from my family. And I knew that I could not- I could only do so much if I was living in my parents' house. Or if I was, you know, living with my grandparents or anyone else like that. I'm not going to be able to live my life the way I want to. So yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=1984.0,2542.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nWhere did you study abroad?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=2542.0,2545.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nI went to there's this. So University of Evansville has a sister campus or a sister school or whatever they call it. And it's in England and it's called Harlaxton. So it's just like giant manor house that- I don't even know if it was like a royal, somebody's house or just a really rich person. But it was a giant manor house that the university had bought and fixed up so that it would be like a- there was a cafeteria, there was dorm rooms and stuff. And like, every semester they have students go and you take classes and they have like student activities and stuff. It's cute. But you only have classes four days out the week. So every week weekend is a three day weekend. And so you're Europe and so you can travel to wherever and they would take- they would have some guided tours, but like most of us will just go off and you know, going to Iceland for the weekend, or I'm going to Paris. I'm going to Barcelona, wherever so that was like- Because you know England, things are different, but they're not that different. Like there's some cultural differences, but it wasn't so far fetched that I'm like, wow, this is a completely different way of living life. Like England was- it was decent for what it was. But like the food didn't have no seasoning, like butter noodles are a thing. And it's exactly what it sounds like butter and noodles. And I'm like, this is the whitest thing I've ever seen in my life. Like what on earth? And that was my first time out of the country. That was my first time traveling without my family, anything like that. So it was a good experience. But I was like yeah, I see why Europe is popular because it's easy to just- it's similar enough that you can go and you're not disrupted I guess like your your normal life isn't too disrupted. there's running water, there's electricity, there's, you know, a lot of similar things to here, even if there's those cultural differences. Like oh, I can't find Doritos or I can't find my favorite cereal or whatever. Like little things like that. It was pretty similar. It was a good first peek, I guess into the rest of the world for somebody who hasn't spent a whole lot of time you know, around different cultures. I guess in I was little bubble as a kid, like, I wasn't even registering, like, oh, there's Jewish families, there's, you know, Jehovah's Witness families, there's families who have a variety of different cultures and things, even if we're all you know, here in Tennessee or whatever. That was not registering for me at all. And so I think, for me, if I had gone to, like, you know, Tanzania or somewhere for my first place out of the country, I'd have probably been like, this is very different and a little shell shocked, but I think it was a good, it was a good starting place. And I always tell people, like, if you can study abroad, like see if your scholarship and your financial aid will transfer over. See if they have any programs through the school because it's a lot cheaper than just booking a trip outside of that. So I'll and I was like one of them me. And like one other black girl from my school were-there was three black people in the whole in all of Harlaxton. And because people came from a bunch of different schools is the University of Evansville, and then my school and a bunch of like, smaller private schools. And so there's three black people, and two of them was me, my friend from Western. And all my black friends when I got back there, like he studied abroad, didn't it? At any No, you know, black people could do that. And I'm like, listen, just go and like, you know, get a study abroad office and see what they got, and see if you can get your financial aid to transfer or something. But I felt like I had cracked the code or something. Because so many of my black friends were like, Oh, that's cool. How'd you do that? Because I think before that I was such- as a kid I was always hearing like all black people don't do this, black people don't do that. This is what black people do. This is what black people don't do. And so then I was always like, not necessarily like, Oh, let me go do some weird stuff. But like, let me go do this thing that black people aren't necessarily supposed to do. And then I do it. And other black people are like, Oh, I didn't know you could do that. Like, it's not even like black people don't want to do this. It's this idea that like black people can't. I don't think I realized that until after I studied abroad and it's not like black people like Oh, I'm anti going other countries. Now we see you know, black people are getting flown [sic] out left and right. But it was I think for a long time, it was like, oh, black people can't or like, nobody asked the black students if they wanted to study abroad, like I had to go out and find that information. And so, and I was in the Honors Program, which is like in my experience, and a lot of different honors programs, you get access to things that the regular black kids don't get access to. And as much as I hated being the only black person and all those different honors programs, I know my mom would probably turn on her face and be like I told you. I appreciate being exposed to those things. I hated being isolated from other black people, in a lot of those honors programs and stuff. But I appreciated that like knowing that these things are options, because a lot of times they don't even bother telling the non-honors kids, oh, you can study abroad, you can do this thing, you can go on this field trip, you know that that is usually earmarked only for the honors kids like it kind of honestly, it still breaks my heart that so many, especially black kids, knowing everything we know about education. And you know, just the way that black kids are treated in this country. On top of everything else we also, black kids also don't get the cool opportunities and the ability to take the honors classes and do those things that the regular kids quote unquote, don't get to do but everyone should have the opportunity if they want it. So yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=2545.0,2927.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI have a question. Just backing up a little bit into like, understanding your queerness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=2927.0,2934.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah, just yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=2934.0,2936.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nTell me your story of how you came into your queerness","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=2936.0,2939.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nOh, man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=2939.0,2939.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nSo when I was little, like, I don't know, 5, 6, 7 years old. I had a dream about the Little Mermaid and I woke up feeling feelings that I had never felt before. And you know, here we are. That's one of my first queer memories that I remember. I woke up and I was like, this is an interesting feeling. And the little mermaid was my movie when I was a kid. Like I was the kid watching the Disney movies over and over again. And little mermaid was one of my favorites. And I was just being a little gay child for The Little Mermaid apparently because it was her, it was Kimberly the pink Power Ranger. Who else? Jasmine from Aladdin. A lot of fictional films that I was like, Oh, you're pretty but also simultaneous to all that... so I have an older brother. And I will follow him and do anything he did like if he was jumping off a bridge, and I will be right there with him. So one time we were playing outside and my grandma's backyard, she has huge backyard, and a bunch of giant trees. And we were playing outside and my brother, he had to pee. So him being a boy child, he like whipped it out and peed on the tree. And I was like, I wonder if I can do that. So I try. I failed. My grandmama came out and said What are y'all doing? Feels bad. But there were a few different times where like I, I was convinced that I was a boy, I was convinced. And my mom- I would be like, Are you sure? We were an open door family, like people using the bathroom with the door open, like taking a bath with door open, whatever, especially the younger. Just open door family and you know, somebody's running around naked or something is, you know, there's always something. I was convinced that I had a penis, but it was just smaller than my brothers because I was younger, it made perfect sense. And I would ask my mom, like, Are you sure? I'm a girl? Are you sure? I'm not a boy? Are you sure? And I'm like three, four or five years old? Like I'm tiny. And she's like, yes, yes. I'm sure I'm positive, I'm sure. Up until maybe like older elementary school age like eight or nine when I started to feel that queerness was wrong and that I was supposed to be a lady and whatever that meant. Like I was a very queer baby looking back. I'm like, I had crushes on the girls on TV. And I was like, I will play the dad, we were playing house or like me, if me and my sister were like, take a bath. You know, you wrap the towel around you I'll wrap my towel around my waist like a boy and like, I would do the all that kind of stuff. Then the older I got, the more I learned that that wasn't okay. And I started to repress it. And that's why it took me so long to come out. Like I didn't actually come out until- I started coming out. In college. Maybe like my last two years of college, I came out to myself, I think I admitted it to myself, maybe when I was like 18, 19. But it took a long time for me to realize that I was queer. Because I had repressed it for so long. And so then looking back as an adult, I'm like, I was a really queer little kid. And then at some point, I had learned that that wasn't okay. But I do have a story because, you know, I feel like every queer kid has one, at least one story about their queerness that, you know, was kind of negative. So I was in fifth grade. And when I was in fourth grade, there was this girl in my class, I think her name was Tiffany, if I remember correctly, and she she was cool. My class, like I said, had a lot of different like, there was a lot of black kids, a lot of white kids. It wasn't any one particular like heavy in one particular race. And so Tiffany, this girl, she had a like a birthday party, a sleepover or something for her birthday that year in fourth grade. And I didn't go I didn't get to go. Because my mom was like, and I'm sure I've forgotten a lot of them but like if unless my mom knew them and knew their parents, it was a no for the sleepovers. It was a no for like maybe a daytime party but not no sleep over. Which I completely understand that now as an adult, but you know, as a kid, like I felt that I felt being socially isolated, I guess from my peers. But in fifth grade, Tiffany, I don't know how she got my number. We weren't even particularly close. Like I had my best friends and stuff. And she was not one of them. And so she called my house randomly. I was at a different school at this point. Because in Nashville, fifth grade is middle school, so like, we were at different schools. And like that was the only year I was in class with this girl. We were not friends. We didn't hang out like methods. So she called me and I'm like, who, like what are you even, who is what is happening? And I didn't talk on the phone as a kid like I still hate talking on the phone. So like my mom. I think my mom picked up the phone and told me it was for me and I picked up then she stayed on the phone because my family is nosy and I used to do with other people in the family too. But she was like stay on the phone. And so I'm talking to this girl she's like you remember last year at my sleep over when you came over and we kissed and did it? Right? That was my face my face. I'm just like literally What are you talking about? Like I don't know- are you prank calling me like, I don't know what's happening was like, girl. And so I was very confused but then I go upstairs because my mom was on listening the whole time and she's crying and freaking on or not I can't believe she was like she was like, Well, I guess if she's that way that we can't do anything about it. And she's crying and I'm, you know, I'm in fifth grade. So I'm What, what 10 And I'm just like, I am trying to calm her down and I'm like, Why didn't even I wasn't even at her house. But like, my thing is, number one, I'm 10 years old. So like, if I was at her house, he would know that I was at her house. It's not like I would just like magically appear at her house or that I would like ride home from school with her without you knowing. So you should know that I've never been in her house, but like, she was just so emotional. And I was just like, Well, okay, I think after that I just kind of shut the queerness down. And I was like, I wasn't even being queer in that moment. She just thought I was and that was enough. And so yeah, I kind of hate that that happened. Because I, I could have been, I could have been my best self a lot earlier. But I yeah, I repressed that for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=2939.0,3374.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nBut I'm trying to think if there's any other like queer stories from my childhood. There was this little white girl in fourth grade, and she tried to play footsies with me at school. And I was once again, I was so confused, because I'm like, Girl, we're not friends. There was no like precursor to this. You were just like playing footsie? She was trying to stare at me. And I'm like, Girl, it's math class, like, What are you even doing? Like I was just, I think I was just so confused. Whatever, like, other people would like, pick up on my queerness I guess, because I was I was just living I was just existing. And so like, yeah, I was just so confused. Like, okay, clearly y'all are seeing something that I'm not because I'm just here. I'm just vibing. And y'all are really like upset or really feeling some type of way about me existing. So? I don't know. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=3374.0,3427.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nSo I heard that you came out publicly at least like last year of college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=3427.0,3436.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nWell, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=3436.0,3437.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nWhat was that? Like? What was the reception that you got from your friends at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=3437.0,3444.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nSo I really started. I came out very slowly. So like I said, I like admitted it to myself when I was like, 18. Like, right before I studied abroad, because I had I had this job. And there was this girl that I liked, and it was a whole thing. And I was like, Okay, maybe, maybe I can't ignore this anymore. Let's figure this out. And so as I was figuring things out, like I first was coming out to, because also as as young queers tend to do all of my friends were queer, like, I don't think any of us were out. But now I'm like, oh, yeah, we were all just gaying it up next to each other and didn't even realize it. And so, a lot of my friends were queer, some of my friends were out. And so I like came out to my out friends. And then I started coming out to a couple of other people, but I didn't really come out to the majority of my friends in college. Like I had a lot of different friend groups in different places. And so like, I was in a whole sorority it was it was a lot but I wasn't out to them. I wasn't out to- Yeah, like my my cishet friends and the friends that were more popular, I guess, but like my friends that like when we really knew each other, like those friends, all my friends who were like, we were all RAs together and all the RAs were gay. And so like, all of us queers are just out here clearing it up in Housing and Residence Life. And so like I was out to some of them. But even the folks that I wasn't out to, I feel like it wasn't a surprise. But yeah, like in college. Yeah, I didn't really come out to very many people. And then when I went away to grad school in Texas, so I graduated from college. And then I stayed in Kentucky for another year, and I was working. And then I came out, and then I went to Texas, and that's when I came out to like the folks in my grad program and I started being more outwardly queer, I guess, because it was kind of a clean break. Because I felt like it's hard for me like once I've been in a situation and I've like gotten to know people and all that. For me to then be what's the word to like, change it up and be like, Hey, these are my new pronouns. This is my new name. I'm coming out like for me, it's always been easier to kind of like let me make a clean break. And then in this new environment, I will be, you know, queer or I'll do whatever it is that I want to do. But like, I don't know, I hate being the center of attention. So something about just like, Hey everyone, I have a giant announcement to make that's gonna make you look at me different- just I could not do that. So yeah, I went to Texas and I was coming out to people there and like being more visibly queer. And that's when I told my mom was the summer right before my second year of grad school, because I was in I had a, an internship in Illinois. And so I had drove up to Illinois. Let me think, I think my mom, like flew down to Texas to drive with me to Tennessee. Oh, that's what it was because my sister graduated from high school. So I like went, you know, her graduation and all that stuff. And then I drove up to Illinois, and it was like six hours. And so I did the six hours by myself, but then she flew into St. Louis, and I like, drove through St. Louis. I picked her up, and then we drove down to Texas, she's like, that's too far for you to drive by yourself, blah, blah, blah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=3444.0,3670.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson\n\nSo this whole car ride, I'm like gearing myself up to come out to her. And I was like, I'll do it in the car, and then literally 15 hours and did not come out to her in the car. And like we were at a gas station, and it was the, what's the song called? Same Love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=3670.0,3689.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\n[with Dartricia} Mm hmm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=3689.0,3689.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nMacklemore whoever else that was the year that that song was on. So literally, we were at a gas station. And she I think she was pumping the gas. And then that song was on the radio, and I'm having a panic attack in the car. I was like, I gotta tell her, I have to tell her. And so we finally we get to Texas, and she got a hotel room. And we're in the hotel room because we're about to go see Fruitvale Station. We're about to go to movies to see Fruitvale Station, not a lighthearted family film to go and see with your mother and when you are stressing out about coming out to her. But we're about to go to the movies. And then I do a very passive aggressive thing. And I'm just like sitting on the bed. And I'm like [loudly sigh]. She didn't say anything. [Loudly sigh again]. Is something wrong. And then I don't even remember how I said it or what I said, But I told her I was bi[sexual]. And she was like, Yeah, I knew I like you know, I'm your mother, you think you can keep things like this for me and blah, blah, she was like, so we're gonna go see this movie or not. So it was not as nearly as much of a big deal as it was for me to have stressed out as much as I did. But I was nervous. Because my grandma was very Christian very much in her church very, like, religious, but my mom, she was like, It depended on the day for her. Like someday she was very much like, I'm reading my Bible, and I'm a good Christian, and we don't read Harry Potter. And like, that was the whole thing. She threw away my Harry Potter books. I'm not still hurt about that at all. But within some time, she would like, try to be cool mom, and I'm like, I can't keep up with witches, which so I was like, I don't know which one you're gonna hit me with with this, like, especially based off of how she reacted to me not even being queer. When I was in fifth grade, I was like, this could be that all over again. But worse, because we're in Texas, somehow that makes it worse, or, you know, she can be okay with it. And I had my niece was like, four at the time. And I was like, Well, I don't want her to think I'm like a predator. You know, all I was like, worst case scenario-ing the entire thing. And I mean, it ended up being fine. But yeah, the coming out was fine. And then like, I feel like step two of coming out, at least to your parents is like, here's my partner, or here's why, you know, the person I'm dating and then there's that level of like, Oh, we didn't think you were serious. We thought you were just gonna be a pariah for the rest of your life. Now you're dating. Oh, my goodness. So you know, that kind of happened, but they love my ex at the time. They were like, oh, yeah, she's great. Blah, blah. So I think that that helped. That I wasn't dating like, she also wasn't like a stud like if I would've brough a stud home home. I don't know my mom would have did especially for like my first partner to introduce to them, they probably would have been freaking out but like, she she Yes, she was fine. She was still feminine-ish and that was enough for my mom I think she just- Yeah, that's a whole nother thing my gender expression me and my mom don't quite see on the same we're not on the same page with that one but sexuality she was like okay, I can handle this if you're gonna date nice young ladies then I guess it's okay. Whatever. Yeah, if I had a brought home like a stud or somebody who was like trans or you know, she probably would have just head exploded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087#t=3689.0,3899.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276087/transcript/94384/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah, that was coming out. out and then I never really came out to her as far as my gender identity, I did tell her that I changed my name. And she has called me Khye like three times in. I've been known by Khye since 2016. So it's about like, six, seven years now. And she's called me kind of like three times, but I never actually told her like, I, you know, I'm gender expansive, or I use they/them pronouns. Like, I was just trying to get the name down first. And that's still a struggle. So maybe one day, we'll have that conversation, but from what she's shown me she's not very interested in having that conversation. So yeah, that's something that we still actively- that I still actively struggle with. I don't know. I think she just she really, I'm her oldest daughter. So she really had this like, vision of what my life would be. And it was very cishet normative very southern. I don't want to say Southern Belle, because I don't think I don't think like people were ever their ideal person when they were thinking about Southern Belles, but like a southern Christian, nice black girl. 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How did you get here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=3.0,6.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah, so I was in grad school in Texas, and I got a master's in educational administration. So I was working in specifically Educational Administration and Student Affairs in higher education, which is like the people that work in orientation and Multicultural Affairs and Disability Services and student activities, and all those kinds of things, not necessarily like professors. So I got my master's in that. And then I was ready to leave Texas on the first thing smoking. So because I just, I was not in Houston or Dallas, or any of the bigger cities, I was in a college town. And so I went to undergrad in a college town, I went to grad school in a college town, then my first job outside or after grad school was, I went back to Illinois. So I had an internship in Illinois in the middle of the summer in between my two years. And then they hired me for a full time position after that. So I moved back up to Illinois, and I hated it. My mental health was terrible. I was it was just not a good look. So I had always said when I was in high school, especially when I was mad at my family, like I want to, I want to live in Atlanta, I want to move to Atlanta, I want to go to Atlanta. And so yeah, when I was in Illinois, I was like, Okay, I hate not being in the south, which surprised me because I thought I was gonna, I thought I was going to be living my best life in the Midwest or wherever. But it was like, I want to go back to the south. I want to go where there's black people. I want to go with these people my age, and who aren't in college so that they actually have time to like, hang out and stuff. And I want to go be where the queers are. And really, with those criteria, it was either Atlanta or Houston and I was not trying to go back to Texas. Houston is like a swamp when it's hot outside. It's gross. So yeah, Atlanta was kind of the only option I kind of wanted to go back to Nashville, kinda. But I also knew that being around my family, even if I didn't consciously do it, that I would be like subconsciously tamping myself down, I guess or like not allowing myself to be my full self just in case I run into somebody at the store or whatever. And I didn't want to live like that. I wanted to be my best self. And I didn't want to have to always be worried about whether or not my family will see it. Because small town mentality, like, if you're in a small town, are you trying to do something not supposed to do is gonna get back to your family one way or another. Like, Oh, I see. It's also up at the epic store riding in a car with someone so it didn't matter if it was you or not just the fact that they thought they saw you in a car riding with someone so or, you know, any of that, like small town mentality. So it was like, Okay, let me go somewhere where I don't have to worry about that. So yeah, then I was like, I want to go to Atlanta, and I was in a relationship at the time. And the plan was, she was still in Texas, in school, finishing up her degree. And so the plan was, she was going to graduate, we were going to move to Atlanta. And life was going to be great. And I was gonna move to Atlanta first, because I was miserable. And I needed to leave Illinois, like I needed to get out of there. It was, it was not good for my mental health to be that isolated. And only had, I had like two friends. And God bless them, because they kept me there as long as I was there. But yeah, I was ready to go.  So I was looking for jobs in higher ed and like, with jobs and student affairs, like there is very complicated, like you apply for the job. And then you do a phone interview. And then you do an in person interview, but it's literally like they'll fly you in or whatever, or pay you to drive or whatever. But then you get a hotel room for the night like it's a day and a half. It's a whole thing, the full a full day in person interview. And I was applying to jobs. And I had applied to a job in Nashville to work at an LGBTQ Center at a university in Nashville. And I was hoping for that job. But I ended up kind of messing up the interview, honestly. But I wasn't supposed to be there anyways, I was supposed to be in Atlanta. So I interviewed for a job at Emory and I ended up getting it and I left Illinois. And I was determined because there were some other jobs like there was another job at a different school in Illinois, that somebody that I used to nnow work there and they were like, Yeah, we think you'd be great to be like the inaugural Assistant Director of our multicultural center or something. And I was like, inaugural as in you didn't have a multicultural center before? 2015? No, thank you. Like so there were some other opportunities like that, that I was like, I could go to the Sun They place but I was, I was miserable. The winter was terrible. I was like, I can't stay here.  So it got the job at Emory, moved down here. Me and my ex broke up. It was very messy. And I was, like I said, my mental health wasn't good before I came to Atlanta. So it wasn't that great one I moved here in the first place. And then we broke up after that. So it was it was a little rough. But yeah, I moved here. I, the first few months, I didn't do too much besides work. But then 20- so it's 2015 that I moved here. And it was into July. So right before the beginning of the school year, and then in I think, like December or November, I had found out about something called Queer Fit here. And I don't know if y'all are familiar. Okay. Yeah. Queer Fit was such a moment. So okay. Kung Li And was it mostly it was- was Kung Li the only one running it? So Kung Li created queer fit as a free workout program for queer and trans people of color. It was open to queer and trans white folks to but queer and trans folks who, especially those working in like movement work, organizing work. So like, I moved to Atlanta, and I wanted to get involved with some queer organizing, because, up until this point in my life, I had been in smaller towns, college towns, where like, there might have been some queers, but there wasn't a lot of organizing. And so this was like the age of Tumblr, and I'm seeing like all these other queers doing cool things in other parts of the country so I'm like, Okay, I'm in Atlanta, let me go find some queer organizing to get into and so I was you know, doing things like going to events with like SONG, like SNAPCo and some other organizations that like, you know, other queer stuff, but I hadn't quite found my my spot yet. And so, and honestly, there's a lot of overlap between, like, the organizers in like SONG and SNAPCo similar organizations and the folks who did queer fit so, but queer fit one of my I had met Mickey, Mickey was Mickey's last name starts with a B","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=6.0,440.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nMickey B","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=440.0,440.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah, Mickey B. I was like I think it's like Bradshaw, Bradford or something. But I didn't want to get it wrong. So yeah, Mickey B, I met Mickey, I think there was SONG event because Mickey used to hang out or do stuff with SONG. And so we were like Facebook friends and Mickey shared thing about Queer Fit and was like, applications are open, you know, they're due this time and they start in January. And so I was like, eh, why not? You know, let me just see what happens. And it said something about like organizers and so I was like, I'm not really an organizer. They might not even pick me whatever. But they did. Um, and Queer Fit started in January and I met so many like queer movement folks in queer fit. So like I said, Kung Li was running it and then some of the coaches like each time you rotate to a different coach, so there was Jocelyn there was and of course I can't remember last names right now but Jocelyn Taylor Coleman- Coleman Taylor, one of those I just every time I think about Jocelyn, I think about that picture of Jocelyn's and Ashley's wedding with a hat. And I'm just like, why are queer people so amazing. But anyways,  Jocelyn was one of the coaches there was Glo. I can't remember glows last name either. But there was Zahra Alabanza. Maybe like one other coach. And so they were rotate each time we would get together. It was like Tuesday evenings and Saturday mornings and we would work out together and it was like circuit training. And Kung Li had like, waited medicine balls and like equipment, like it was intense, and cuddly had just went through like, I think I just had like a double mastectomy from like, breast cancer treatment. So kindly was just like, doing this work through their health stuff. And it was just it was just it blew my mind. But anyways, I met so many amazing people. Queer organizers who I still keep in touch with and who has still you know, I consider as part of my community and so yeah, that was kind of like my entry into into Atlanta queerness was was Queer Fit and I hate that it's not- that it was so short lived and it was completely free. Also, I don't know if I said that. But like, they were not taking money for Queer Fit. And like, like I said, there was actual equipment, we would meet up at the park. And you know, 10am on Saturday, and we're running laps, and we're, you know, doing like partner workouts and stuff and it was just really dope to see like the Healing Justice side of organizing instead of me getting involved starting out with these different organizations and you know, doing stuff on the ground. It was like Like this healing focused program so that was when I first moved to Atlanta. And that's when I really that's  how I met the majority of the queer folks that I was in community with. and I say community kind of loosely because I wasn't necessarily I wouldn't say that I like those are the folks that I was building an intentional community with, but just like larger queer community that was kind of my in, I guess. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=440.0,639.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nI love that. I know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=639.0,646.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nQueer Fit, great stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=646.0,652.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI'm looking at my questions and realized I should have been looking at them throughout because I'm a little out of order. But that's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=652.0,657.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nI have a question. Yeah. So then from from queer fit, and like, you know, moving into circles with different organizations. How did you get into reproductive justice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=657.0,670.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah, so let's see. So, okay, I was looking for a political home, because I knew I wanted to get involved in something outside of my job. And so like I said, I would have went to some SONG events, some SNAPCo. And somehow I, and I don't remember, maybe it was at like, you know, before COVID. Like, all the usual suspects would be at the different like community fairs and things and they would all have tables. So that was when I first heard about SONG was like, it was like a reggae fest or something or like a Caribbean some kind of Caribbean something something. And I feel like similarly, I heard about Feminist Women's Health Center. And so I had heard, I guess, to back up a little bit when I was in Texas. One of my internships was at the LGBTQ center, because they actually had one even it was it was highly contested, but they did have an LGBT center. And one of the students there was in another organization called Aggies for Reproductive Justice. And the mascot was the Aggies like agriculture, whatever. So it was Aggies for Reproductive Justice. And this was like, 2013 2014, I hadn't heard that term. And I'm like, you know, what's reproductive justice. And they tell me and they talk about some of the things that they were doing around abortion and bodily autonomy and stuff. So that was my first time hearing about it, but it was kind of in the back of my head. So you know, fast forward two, three years, and I learned about Feminist Women's Health Center. And I had I think I like went to some of their events, they were having some like, they would have different events for like, black women and black films and stuff like that, like they had an Insecure viewing party, we would get together each week and watch the first season of Insecure, like stuff like that. And so I became a volunteer. And then I did the volunteer training and, you know, the volunteer training they, they give you like an overview of RJ and the difference between RJ and reproductive health and reproductive rights. And some of the things that Feminist had been involved in, you know, during their history, as well as just Atlanta. Some of the things that have been happening in Atlanta and Georgia overall with reproductive justice. And so I started out with a volunteering, going to events, and then I feel like I did some kind of training. I don't remember, but I was involved with Feminist and then they have their Vuley fellowship. And I did I apply for the fellowship, and I was like, kind of same thing with Queer Fit. I was like, you know, I don't know if they're gonna pick me, whatever, let me just apply and see what happens. And they picked me to be a part of the fellowship, this was 2018.  And I was still working at Emory at the time. And like, I was increasingly frustrated, maybe with my job, like it was the job I was doing was fine for what it was, but I always like I wanted, you know, a promotion or something like I had been there for two years or so. And like, people were only seeing me as like this one person who does this one job and like, they didn't know anything about all the other things I knew how to do. And it was very, like, Emory was also at the time, I don't know what it's like now, probably the same, but at the time, it was very, like, oh, we have an opening for a particular position. Instead of you know, advertising it and saying people can apply, we're just gonna slide this random person into this position and all the times that happened. I'm like, okay, a white girl got that job, a white girl got that job, a white girl got that job, maybe a black man or maybe another person that color, but it was never a black woman, it was never a woman of color who would just get slid into these jobs. Well, one time that happened, but the person who got slid into the job was my friend. And it was a it was a shit show behind the scenes. And they were really just trying to like, make her a scapegoat. So that was a whole nother conversation. But like, they were just not appreciating me at Emory. And I was getting like, increasingly frustrated and the students that I worked with- Basically, I had some white students that I worked with, and they were like, we think you favor the black students. And I was like, yes. Yes, I do. I don't know what you want me to do about that? I don't know. Um, but I was being encouraged to not favor black students. And I'm like I don't know, again, I don't know what y'all want me to say. I don't know how to not favor black people. So here we are, like, here we are. The first year, it was fine. The second year was fine. The third year, I was like, I either need a promotion, or I need to figure something else out. Because I'm like, I was just my mental health was increasingly not great. You know, it wasn't. So it wasn't as bad as like when I was in Illinois, in different parts of my life previously, but it was to the point that I was like, I can't keep working here, like I had to- every year and went to a conference for this job. And like, the last year that I was there, this was 2018 I like had a panic attack at the conference, and I could barely go to the conference. I was like, Yeah, this is a sign, I gotta go. And so like, 2016 2017, I just remember 2016 That summer being really rough, because around that time, I had chosen the name Khye. But I had also that was the same time that I think Philando Castile and somebody else that summer, it was like two or three big high profile police executions in the news that summer, and they were like back to back. And I just remember, like, July was a really rough month. I'm working in a university, with black students and with, you know, with with other people who are affected by this, and I just remember, like, some different offices, some of my friends, their supervisors were like, oh, you know, go home early, take the day. We know, it's been rough. And my supervisor was a, he was a gay white man. And he did his gay white best, but it was just not, he just didn't know how to acknowledge it. And I'm sitting here, like, dissociating at my desk, and like, there was just not no empathy, you know, for like, Hey, you don't seem okay, maybe, you know, take a day off or go to therapy or something. But I just remember, like, feeling not seen, I guess, or not valued in that role. But I was also feeling that way about higher education as a whole. And just feeling like, I want to do something with my life that I feel like makes a difference. But I don't want to- Like, I can only do so much from inside of these systems. And you know, there's always that person that's like, oh, you can be the one to change it. But like, nobody tells you how much of a mental, physical, emotional toll that takes on people. And like, yeah, at some point in that job, I was like, fixing it from the inside, even if it was effective. Is it worth it to like, you know, my personhood, and I had determined that that was not something I wanted to do was have all these uphill battles for the rest of my the rest of my life. And I really figured out too, in that role that like, even if you start out wanting to do good, like the older black folks, I knew they were either extremely burnt out, or they had sold out and they were just not even- they weren't prioritizing black people and I'm looking at them like you should be prioritizing- I don't know. I don't know, maybe that's too much to ask of folks to like prioritize black folks. But if you're a black person and you're in a higher up position, why would you not prioritize black folks and try to help black folks but you know, maybe that how everybody thinks?  But um, yeah, so I was in this job miserable. And I, my master's, my mental health was really trash when I was getting my master's like, it just was not good. And I know now I have ADHD, I didn't know that then I just got diagnosed like a year last year. But now I know that I was extremely burnt out. And my mental health was a result of untreated ADHD and all that, but I didn't know that at the time. But I did know that I was never going back to school, I was like, I refuse I especially to get a PhD or anything like that, like that was just not on. Not in my future, because I knew that my mental health was terrible was my last one. And that was only two years. So what would five plus years do to me? I didn't want to find out. So 2017 ish. I'm like thinking, you know, what do I want to do with my life? What can I do that doesn't involve going back to school and doesn't involve like, a whole convoluted training process. And, you know, I was interested in reproductive justice. And for a while I was like, maybe I'll just find a job at an RJ organization, you know, Sister song, or maybe I'll find an organizer job that, you know, one of these organizations, and yeah, that was kind of my plan for a while. So I did the bully fellowship that started in January, I think, to 2018, or like the first of the year, maybe not January, but it started at the beginning of 2018. So I was like, Maybe this will, you know, I'll find a full time job through there. And as I was doing the fellowship, I was learning more about RJ and more about, like, we talked about storytelling, and data collection, and all these different things. And I was realizing like, all these different facets of RJ it's not just abortion, it's not just, you know, these handful of things. It's really expansive. And I was learning about environmental justice and all these different things. But I was still like, I don't know what I want to do. And so I was rewind just a little bit more 2016, my sister, my youngest sister had her first kid. And so she would tell me things about like, what she was experiencing, like, physically, but then also like, the things that the doctor would tell her. And like, the doctor would tell her like, Oh, you're not eating like she had really bad. Morning sickness. And so the only thing she could hold down somehow was Taco Bell. I don't know how that works. But that was the only thing she can hold down. And her doctor was like, Oh, well, you know, since you're not eating that many fruits and vegetables and getting your vitamins, blah, blah, but you probably shouldn't breastfeed. And like, right, at first, I was like, I mean, I don't know why, or I don't know how but that didn't sound right. And I didn't know until I kind of heard what my sister was experiencing. That I was like, there's so much I don't know about body so much we don't know, as humans about bodies, and especially about birth, because you know, there you have your your health class or biology class in high school, you might have sex ed, but like, they're not telling you. This is what happens when you do get pregnant. They're saying don't get pregnant. And you know, here's some ways to avoid that. That from happening. But yeah, just realize how much I didn't know. And I think at some point in 2018, it all kind of clicked together. And I also was hearing about the maternal mortality crisis around 2017 2018. And like all that just felt very close to home, I think, because my sister was had had her baby. And so like, it was one thing for like, older family members, or like older folks, I knew who were having kids, but then it kind of hit me like, Oh, I'm in this age range now of like, people who are parenting and like, even if me and my friends aren't having babies now, we will be in the next couple of years. And I don't know it all clicked. And I think I was talking to one of my students and she was pre med. I remember that. And she had talked about, we were talking about doulas one day, and she was like, Yeah, I was thinking about becoming a doula. And I think that was the day that I was like, Ah, I do love maybe I'll look into that. And so I started to look into it and some of 2018 Well, before I say that, so spring of 2018. I'm still going through the fellowship, and healthy mothers healthy babies has started a program called BPS P building perinatal support professionals. And they got some grant and they were taken applications. They were going to pay for 20 people to become certified either as a doula or a childbirth educator. And so like I had applied to that and again, I was like, Oh, they're not gonna pick me whatever. And I just keep applying to things apparently that's what I do. Um, just see what happens and, you know, seven times out of 10 it probably works out. But um, yeah, I was in I was like, do I want to be a doula or a childbirth educator? And I was like, well, since I do education already, maybe I'll do the childbirth education. And you know, that'll be my thing. So I applied for that. And they accepted me to do the childbirth education program. And then, but that was starting. I don't remember when it started. Sometime in 2018, maybe like in the fall it started. No, no, it started in the spring because by the end of the summer, I had went through both of the trainings. So yeah, it started in the spring, the childbirth education thing and they were also doing like extra trainings and stuff for like building your business and getting your clients and different things like that. So it wasn't just like you go to the training in this it because the doula and childbirth educator trainings, don't talk a lot about running your own business, which is a whole nother thing. But anyways, so I had started that process. And then I was literally like, in my bed scrolling on Instagram. And I saw an ad for a doula training through an organization called system midwife productions. And so she's based in New Orleans, and she, her childbirth or her doula training, like what caught my eyes that it focuses on black mothers, it doesn't focus on birthing people. It was very it was racially culturally competent, but it was not inclusive, LGBT inclusive at all. And so yeah, I literally saw the ad on Instagram and like, made an impulsive decision to sign up for doula training. And I like put it on my credit card. And I was like, All right, I guess I'm training to be a doula. So I literally did both trainings. Within like a month of each other. Like, I did my childbirth education training. And that was like, I think that was like two eight hour days. And then my Doula training was like 40 hours. It was like two weekends in a row. And it was just like, so much information. But yeah, I did my trainings. And then by fall of 2018, I was like, Yeah, this is great. I'm a doula. I had my little business card and my logo, and I was out there. And I was like, yeah, here we go. We're gonna we're gonna save the world. And then it took me like, two years to find a client. But um, yeah, that's how it started out. And, and I'll also say I was working with, there's an organization clugston called Friends of refugees, and they have a program specifically for pregnant folks called Embrace. And so they provide like volunteer doulas, childbirth education courses. They'll like take people to their doctor's appointments and things like that. So you're working with like refugee families. And so I had heard about them when I was trying to get my certifying first for my childbirth education, so I had to observe three births for my childbirth education certification. And yeah, I heard about them and I signed up to be a volunteer. And so that's where how I got my first three births that I was that I didn't observe. I was their doula, because it was a volunteer doula thing. So you literally like the first person I worked with. I got to meet her before she went into labor. But the other two people like I met them when I walked in the room in the hospital. So that was interesting. But um, yeah, that was that was my first experience with like, being there at people's births. As a brand new doula, so that's kind of how that happened. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=670.0,1723.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nAnd what I'm hearing you describe is the formation of cooling. Which, you know, being connected to the center, understanding like your, your demographic, who you're serving is very targeted. Yeah. Talk about that. What do you see, like, the needs of the community that you send? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=1723.0,1742.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson \n\nso um, so like I said, I was doing, I did the training through system midwife. And it was it was very, very, very black, which I appreciate. So I learned the history of like grand midwives, which I didn't know a lot of that beforehand, like read midwives and J Marion Sims and Lucy and Betsy and Antarctica, and like, I learned so much of that, but then I was 2018. So I was going by Khye in 2018. My pronouns are probably they them at this point. So I want and I'm not necessarily the most vocal person, like I don't like I said, I don't like to be the center of attention. So like, if somebody asks, I'm not gonna lie, like, Yeah, I'm queer. If it comes up, like, oh, yeah, queerness but I'm not gonna be like, Hey, I'm Khye. I'm queer. Like, that's just not me. And not everybody can read the queerness in my appearance. So I guess and so, um, you know, I was just in this doula training and I'm like, I'm just thinking about like, what about all but what about the queer people? Like, you know, everything is mother and mom and it? Yeah, I felt it starting there. And I only felt that feeling more as I got more and more in the birth work world and so like I started calling to you I was calling to doula was my first thing because I was looking for my first name was gonna be the village auntie, like I was gonna that was gonna be the name of my business. And then I Googled it. And there was somebody in New York who already had the name and like no one that no one I know now, I probably could have still had the name. And I haven't heard anything else about the village it in New York, no shade, but like, it would have been fine. But I was like, now I have to find a different name. So I ended up I was like looking for something that meant community village, like and something that gave me the same energy as like an auntie of like somebody who, like, I'm looking out for you, because I care about you. And I care about our larger community. And so I was looking at like words in different languages that make community I landed on colon two. Um, I didn't really realize the importance of being visibly vocally queer, until I was more in birth spaces, like I was saying, and I was like, in the spaces and in Atlanta, like in other parts of the country, people's issues is like, I don't know any other black doulas like I mean, here by myself and everybody around me as white. In Atlanta, I don't have that problem. It's like everybody's black. But they're either black southern Christian, which I'm glad that black southern Christian people have doulas who aligned with them. That's great. And then or their hotel ups. And then, which honestly, I don't know if I would say that that's what my Doula training was. It has some Hotep energy it was I wouldn't say it's fully Hotep because the reverence of black women was very strong. And it wasn't like, Egyptian focused, it was very much focused on like, our actual history as people whose ancestors were brought here, it wasn't like this mythical Black Kingdom that exists. You know, it wasn't it was grounded in reality. So I appreciate that. But yeah, a lot of the spaces I was in are just very Hotep. And I'm like, I can't, I don't feel welcome in these spaces being my full self. So I can only imagine what queer and trans families feel like. And so I think at this point in my life, like I'm a little bit older, and so some of the queer folks I know, have kids, or are trying to have kids or are, you know, raising kids who maybe aren't their own children, you know, the reason family members or whatever. And so I was really thinking about, like, there's so many black queer people. There's so many queer people in Atlanta. Surely I'm not the only queer birth were like, surely there's more of a somewhere and so I was just like, one, where are we? But to like, is there not a gathering space for us to come together and like talk or anything? And so that's like, after I became a doula was when I realized because before I became a doula, I was like, it would be great to work with, you know, families who have, who need more support, or I was very general, I guess, with like, who I wanted to work with. And then I became a birth worker. And I'm like, oh, I need to like, purposefully seek out the queers. So I can work with other queer books. Yeah, I'm trying to think 2018 Because like, before the pandemic we work, I was putting on events. So I was doing me to do lists, like quarterly ish every three months or so. And we were literally like getting a room in the library. And like, the first one, it was just me and some, a couple of other birth workers that I knew from my training programs. And there was four of us, I think, including me, so it was me and three other doulas and No, no birthing family showed up, but it was also like December, so I think that was 2018 was the first one. And then as we kept having more and more people would show up. And it was cool. It was fine as an event but I was realizing two things. One I was pretty good at putting on events, but not only putting on just putting on events, but also events that facilitate community healing. And I didn't even realize it like it was. Folks were being healed at these at these meet the doulas events just learning about birth workers and learning about their options. But then to it was also hard for me to be a regular doula at the event who was like talking to potential clients and all that because I was hosting the event. So then I'm like, Okay. At first I wanted to put on these meet the doula events, because I had like, seen it in a video that they had did it somewhere up in New York. Because I didn't know how to find clients and a lot of other work workers I was talking to, they didn't know how to find clients either. So I was like, well, I'll just put on an event, while I'm in a room and we'll find clients, that'll be great. And then I was realizing like, people need community healing. That there's not a lot of spaces where we can talk about birth and how it affects so many different things. But then, it was also very not clear, like it was just the pregnant people showing up. We're not necessarily queer, there were just, you know, pregnant people, random pregnant people, and most of the birth workers who shut up we're also not clear. And so I was realizing like this, I created the space but I don't necessarily feel like if this were a an explicitly queer man, wouldn't would most of these people be here and so I was kind of feeling some type of way about that. And so in 2019, all the years are starting to blur together. I feel like an old person now I'm like, what year was that? Um, 2019 I started putting on queer. I was calling queer and trans family Kiki, and so it was basically a space for Yeah, when it Karis. Oh, man, that was the last one before the pandemic was January 2020. And I think I had like, I think that was only the second one. The first one was like October of 2019, maybe, or November. And I basically wanted an event where like, because all the queer spaces were not necessarily family friendly, or like, they would say they're family friendly, but like, you go to pride, and everybody's wearing a Speedo. And like, that's cool, live your life. But like, you know, not everybody wants to bring their kids to that, or whatever, or the family friendly events, were not queer friendly. And if even if they were friendly, they weren't trans friendly. And so I wanted to have something that was queer and trans and family, because there's this like, and maybe it's it. I don't know what it is. But like, with younger queer folks, or younger queer culture, there's this like, almost aversion to kids that I pick up on. And it's like, it's not the queers or anti kids, I think it's just the like, so many of us in our 20s are living our childhoods or our second childhood, you know, for the first time or whatever, as our full selves. And so that's the furthest thing from our mind. But then when you meet other queers who are in their 30s, or 40s, that's when we're like, okay, maybe we want kids, maybe we want to get married, bla bla bla. And so I wanted to have a space for queer and trans folks to exist in a family oriented environment. And so I purposefully did not define the word family, I was like, if you're a family who has a trans kid, come if you are a queer couple, trans couple of you have kids, or you want kids, or you're thinking about having kids or you're pregnant, or whatever you can tell them. Like, it was so cool. The types of people who showed up but like, like, there was one, it was a grown trans man who was maybe in his, like, early 20s, and his dad, and I thought that was so sweet. Like, you're never too old for family events. I don't care. And we like play games, and it was real cute. Um, but yeah, we're doing these like, events because I was like, Where are the queers with families, I know, we exist. We're in Atlanta, there's so many queer people. I know somebody has a family. But like, where are the spaces for us. And so I was really focused before the pandemic about like, creating spaces that I didn't see. For us for queer, especially for queer and trans people of color. And I, honestly, I still struggle with whether or not to make it exclusively black, because a lot of folks have their white spouses. And like, I was like, I don't want to I don't want to get, I don't know how I feel about gatekeeping the community when there's already so few queer spaces in the first place that like, I don't want to then make it even more exclusive. They're like, Oh, this is only for black folks, you know, who are who are with black people and have black children. Like I was like, I don't know if I want to do that. So yeah, that was that was something that I wanted to do, but I just wanted to have space for us to think about and celebrate family in whatever shape we wanted it to look like. And so, honestly, I don't know if I answered the question, but Okay, great. I was like, I'm just talking at this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=1742.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nI definitely did. You know, I wanted to back up a little bit because I think we touched on, especially your, the formation of kind of your queer identity, but how would you define your political consciousness? Like, particularly what reproductive justice means to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=2400.0,2422.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah. Yeah, I think so. I don't know if there's a word for this, I'll just kind of describe how I view things, I guess. But like, politically. Like, as long as I can remember, I've always wanted to, like, change the world. And you know, be somebody, like, when I was a kid, I wanted to, like, be a chemist, so I could cure cancer. And like, I've always kind of been in that mindset. But then the older I got in, the more I learned, the more I understood that like these, you know, these are not simple problems. And they don't have simple solutions. And so then I'm in college, and like, I want I, my, I wanted to work in nonprofits, when I was in college, and then I worked at a couple. And I was like, Oh, this is trash, like everywhere else. And so the older I got, the more I saw how different see how, yeah, different systems interacted to uphold white supremacy, basically. And like how everything kind of pointed back to the roots of white supremacy, and anti blackness and all that. And so for me, I felt like when I was looking for a political home, when I first moved here, I would go to some difference spaces, and I would feel like, okay, you're doing this thing, but like, is that enough, quote, unquote? And I guess enough, not so much is like the effort or the amount of effort or the amount of people that it's reached, but like, is this a solution? Or is this like a band aid? Like, we're gonna give you food today, but you're gonna be hungry again, tomorrow kind of thing. And so, you know, I think with growing up and being in my early 20s, when, like Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown, and all these different, like, pivotal moments were happening in larger society, I was kind of seeing like, because I felt like before that, as millennials, like, I know, things were not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but there weren't a lot of high profile like racist things that were happening, there was like the Genesis six, when I first started college, I remember that happening. But otherwise, there wasn't a whole lot of like, we didn't have a Rodney King moment, we were just kind of vibing as millennials, and then things started happening. And we were like, okay, all that mess we were talking about, if we were in the civil rights movement, this is now it's happening. And so I would join different organizations where I would see what they were doing. And like, I just wouldn't vibe was what they were doing. I'm not saying it was good or bad, or anything like that. Just it wasn't my kind of thing. Like, I would never be excited to go back the next week, I'd be like, Oh, well, you know, I guess I'll go to this thing on Monday. But then when I got into RJ, I appreciated not only how affirming it was, as far as my identities, and you know, RJ is very big on like, bringing your whole self to the work. But it was also, I felt like RJ as a definition, RJ as a framework was all encompassing, and the way that my brain worked, like the way that my brain can connect that you know, the things happening to kids in elementary schools and the things happening to you know, black people in these other spaces in the military or something that they're connected. And so like, RJ as a framework really helped me put words to all the things I was seeing and connecting in my head. And I wasn't necessarily reading like black feminist texts or anything like that. I was honestly just like, living my life and trying to make sense of things. And so I would say that my politics or my like, philosophy in life is just like we have to see this all as one big system if we keep trying to attack it from different sides without acknowledging that we're all on the same side. And we're all we all have a the same goal just with different approaches. Like it was I knew that it wasn't going to be very effective. And so yeah, reproductive As this was kind of my, the way that I was able to make sense of things, but also, there was a second part of your question that I wanted to answer. Oh, in my birth work, um, I was looking at it as like, I think at the same time, as I was learning about this RJ framework, I was seeing it play out in real life with my sister, with my friends with different people around me, and so it really helped to solidify RJ in my head. And so then I'm looking at the maternal mortality crisis, I'm looking at the ratio of queerness, and the gender essentialism in both spaces, and I see those, as you know, like, I see what I'm trying to say, like, I see how scaring people with maternal mortality crisis language, or like, you know, these are the bad things that are happening, how that results in people wanting to have fewer children, or people wanting to not have children at all, and how that ties to the bigger picture of genocide, honestly, against black folks. And so as a birth worker, like I don't know, I know, this is part of my purpose in life, I don't know if I'll be doing birth work my whole life. But I do know that birth is one of the biggest ways to is one of the biggest aspects maybe of genocide, like, if people aren't being born, then our numbers are gonna go down. If people are dying early, the numbers are gonna go down. But like, as I was learning more about these interconnected issues that folks were having, like, part of the reason why I wanted to work in nonprofits, and like, I kind of wanted to work in education to like, for men, and I wanted to be like a school principal, because I was like, yeah, if you know, if we intervene, it was a very maybe like white savior viewpoint, like we intervene at certain points, we can, you know, we can change the narrative of folks, you know, you hear about like, oh, you can they can predict whether or not somebody will end up in prison, and by like, third grade reading scores, or whatever. So like, in my brain, I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, maybe we can intervene in elementary school. And like, the more I learned, I'm like, okay, maybe we can intervene in preschool, maybe we can intervene in, you know, when the child has to. And like I realized, like, if, like, if there's going to be an intervention, quote, unquote, that successful, birth is probably one of those most crucial places, because you're working with the entire family unit, you're not just working with the child, because that was also a thing that, like, I used to work at a headstart program. And like, yeah, you can do all these great things with with these three and four year olds, but if they're, if the things that they're learning aren't being reinforced by the family, then I don't want to say it's a waste, but it's not going to be as effective. And so I was kind of looking at it from that perspective of, you know, where can we intervene? And eventually, my, where can we intervene was less of a like, what I was taught and white supremacy of like, oh, we intervene, so that, you know, we can teach them to be better people or whatever, as opposed to now it's like, Where can I intervene, to teach other black people how to take our power back how to how to not be a victim in these in these narratives, and how to navigate the system so that you can be healthy and, you know, live the life that you want to live. And so that that was kind of how I saw it, too, that, yeah, I could work in schools, or I could work with young people, but like, one, you have to work the whole family unit, you can't, it doesn't even make sense to try to, like, enact change with a four year old, like without engaging the entire family unit or with an eight year old or whatever, without engaging the entire family unit, especially black folks, because a lot of us don't give a lot of autonomy to our children. And so like, you know, what are you going to do with a black eight year old, they come, they come home and they say, Oh, Mom, I learned X, Y and Z we should integrate this thing into our family like that's, that's probably not gonna go too far for a lot for a lot of us. I'm not gonna say for all black folks, but um, yeah, so I really wanted to do something to directly affect the maternal mortality crisis and how it plays out with black folks. In a way that is that is tangible to regular people. Also, I didn't necessarily want to be up in some ivory academic tower, you know, turning out research papers like and that's what some one thing that frustrated me about But being in school was like, okay, we can read all these theories and stuff. But like the translation to practice was was where I think it fell, it fell apart falls apart for a lot of people. Because yeah, reading something on a piece of paper, and then relaying it to real people, is not easy. And it's not. It's not something that a lot of people focus on is the translation between the two. And I was seeing similar things with RJ and both work that in RJ spaces, it's so expansive, and you bring your full self and we're queer, inclusive, and all this great stuff. And then I go to birth workspaces. And is not it. I felt like I was in 1995, like, Hey, ladies and uterus, and everything was just everybody was so excited to have uteruses that were functioning. and that's awesome. That's not everybody's, you know, experience. And so yeah, I really just wanted to, I've always been pretty good at translating the academic stuff to regular people speak. And so that translating from theory to practice was really what I wanted to focus on, because because all the research is being done, but if nobody's translating this, to communicate it to real people who are living this out in real life real time, then What's it matter? You're just gonna have a bunch of books that nobody reads. So yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=2422.0,3092.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nBecause you say, I'm curious, you know, kind of moving up a bit with the overturn of Roe, how do you see that impacting, you know, birthing people, any endorsements you do in particular?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=3092.0,3111.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Khye Tyson  \n\nYeah, um, I feel like with the overturn of Roe, especially being in Georgia, especially being in the South. I mean, there's gonna be more people. I mean, I think, I don't know, because a part of me. You know, we were in this place before as a country, but I wasn't here. So it's hard for me to say, I don't know, because I part of me knows that, like, people are going to be having abortions. And people are whether those are self managed, whether those are illegal, you know, with with providers under the table, or if it's folks googling things and seeing what works, that's going to be happening. And I'm sure there will be more people who are parents, and who choose to be parents because of the overturn of Roe v. Wade. And so I don't know I see it in a couple of ways. Like I have served as an abortion doula. Previously before Roe got overturned, and really honestly, I've only had I've served as an abortion doula with one person, so I don't even I don't necessarily promote that part of what I do. But if somebody especially a queer trans person comes to me, and they're like, hey, you know, I need support in this then. If I have the capacity, then I'm, I'm down. But we traveled to Maryland, this was in 2020. They were passed. I think Georgia at the time was like a 20 week ban or a 20 week cut off. And so we had to go to Maryland, so they could get an abortion at 23 weeks, I think. And so like, I'm down I mean, yeah, I'm down to travel more now to another time, I would rather not have that be the majority of my job but like the tangible support of traveling with folks and or helping people organize a trip, you know, connecting them with resources with Arc SE and with yellow hammer fund and some of the other organizations that are you know, helping folks coordinate their abortion plans. Excuse me, also. Excuse me, um, it has me thinking a lot about the bodily autonomy piece of RJ and it has me thinking a lot about what we're taught about our bodies and what we're not taught about our bodies. And you know, so many of us were not taught very much about our bodies and what would it look like? Like I think about fertility. Instead of thinking about it as like, the ability to, for your reproductive system to work properly in order to have a baby or in order to you know, impregnate someone else I think of fertility as like, the optimal functioning of our reproductive systems. And regardless of whether or not you want to have children, we all should just like any other, you know, body part or body system, like, we all should have the ability to have a functioning, a healthily functioning system. And so like, the bigger conversation about like, this is how your body works and, you know, tracking your cycles, or whatever the case is holistic forms of birth control or whatever, like having more conversations like that, I would like to have more conversations around that, whether it's with young people, whether it's with folks who are who are fully grown, like, and whether that's, I don't even want to call that sex ed, because I think it's just like how your body works, and the ways that we can work with our bodies and learn about how our bodies work, that you can use that information to have the, you know, desired life you want, whether that's children, no children, whatever, like that, we have enough information to know what to do with our bodies to to achieve that outcome. And so, especially with queer and trans folks, who are often, you know, I think it's better now. But even seven to 10 years ago, queer inclusive Sex Ed was not that information was not easy to come across. As and, yeah, I just think with with, I don't know the overturn of Roe v. Wade, like, Yes, I think there's space for organizing whatever else. But for me, I'm thinking about, like, what's the public health side of it? What's the side of what people need to know today to make the best, most informed decisions they can for their families? And like, that's how I approach my birth work to have like, yeah, the maternal mortality crisis? Do we need people changing policy and organizing and marching and writing bills? Sure. And there are people who are pregnant today, who are being traumatized today, who are near misses, quote, unquote, today that I can't wait three years for this Mahmoud Abbas to get past what can we do today. And so that's always my thought of like, I tell people all time, I'm not the front lines, March protest person, like, I'm not that person. But I like I do have my role. And I like to think I play it pretty well of like, as we're burning things down, somebody's got to be building up the next thing, or else we're just gonna be sitting in an empty char field looking at each other. And so, yeah, what like, what what can we build today to meet the needs that folks have, within the context of everything that's going on externally. And I might not be an herbalist, I might not be someone who can, you know, help people have abortions, but I can teach you about your body, I can teach you about, you know, what we can do hopefully, before the pregnancy scare, or before the emergency situation that, you know, that hopefully will prevent some of the things you know, what are healthy relationships look like? What does love bombing look like? 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And you know, now it's three years later, and they're trying to figure out how to get out with a three year old and they're pregnant a second time, like, trying to avoid those things in the first place. is kind of what I'm my approach like, how can we minimize the number of people who end up in this situation in the first place? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088#t=3111.0,3592.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3309/collection_resources/150013/file/276088/transcript/94385/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nI think you're speaking directly to the last question. Really well, so here's this ask it. Let's do it. 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Mixed with the acorn, like the acorn of parable of the talents were like, we have a and honestly, like, I didn't even talk a whole lot about community. But that's, you know, the reason why I want to call them to to be or my organization, my my business to meet named something around community around villages, because I grew up in community, and I've seen how crucial it is to have community firsthand whether it's the times that I have had community, and times that I haven't had community like that community is really it's that piece that that is, I'm not gonna say it's missing, it has been purposefully taken from us as black folks and community is the reason why we've survived this long. It's the reason why we're able to why black folks are still holding on to our culture, like, you know, there's this it's, I don't know what to call it, but like, I read it something about like languages, like dead languages, and like how there were certain languages, you know, there's only like, 10 Elders who speak it, and you can learn the language, sure, but if you are not immersed in the community, then the language by itself is like, it's flat, it's just words on a page, right? And so like, community is the embodiment of the language of the culture of the care that we have for one another. And like, actually, I should say this, I'm gonna I'm gonna say this as like my mic drop moment. So my theory or my hypothesis that we'll come up with, and I haven't seen anything to disprove it yet, is that community is the opposite of Capitalism. And, you know, you look at like the nuclear family and all these things that they promote in capitalism, suburbs, and everyone has their single family home. Like, it's the separation of us from our communities, and then the downplaying of the need for community and society as a whole. And so like, yeah, like, I came up with a definition of community, and I can't, I can't think of it all off top of my head. But like, it's, it's not it's less of a definition is more of like criteria. Like if you're, if you're a community of your group of people doesn't fit this, then it's not a community. And so like, I really look at the parable of the talents, how they had a shared purpose, and they like, gathered together, and they had the book of the living, and they have these things that grounded them together in a shared purpose. And that's one of the reasons why, in the book, it survived as long as it did. And I read something a long time ago that said, like, you know, the counterculture in the 60s, and there were all these different communes that popped up. And like, less, after five years, less than 5% of those comments still existed. And, you know, that speaks to you can't just throw people in a room or in one space and call it a community, you have to work together in a cohesive as a cohesive unit, like, you have to have plans and you have to have like, structure, it can't just be like, we're all gonna go and get this land and, and live our best lives like, No, you have to have roles for people like you have to have. Has to be clear what people's jobs are. And it has to be clear that everyone belongs that everyone has a say that you can't, you know, you can't have a handful of people as the elites or as the people who make our decision, all the decisions, and everybody else is just there, like everyone has to buy into it. And so like, I really look at you know, I really look at these I'm not trying to say, like, all these different things that people are like, oh, yeah, you know, in our ideal future, we have XY and Z. But for me, like the only thing that I really care about is are we a community, like do we care about each other? Do we look out for each other? are we raising our kids together are we are we, you know, feeding each other are we pouring into each other mental health and physical health and all these different things like that everyone has a place like that, that they can call home or call community that whether or not it's I don't know what the big picture looks like of like our reproductive reproductively sovereign place that we're living in. But like, if if I have my group of people, and we look out for each other, and we maybe all live on one big plot of land together, like in my dream, it's like a tiny house village, and we all have our little tiny houses. And then we have like a communal kitchen, and a communal living room and we have our garden and we have like, the little schoolhouse for the kids. Like, that's what it is, in my head. I don't care as much about the what it physically looks like. I mean, I would like for it to be by the beach. But personally, but I don't have as much of a stake in what it physically looks like as to like, what it feels like and like, do you feel supported? And like, even if someone is a single parent, quote, unquote, like, do they have the support that they need to live their best life and like, you know, I just I think about that all the time. Like, what if we all had the support, we needed to live our best lives to like to heal from trauma, and to feel good about ourselves and to learn more about our purpose and our talents and the things that we're good at so that we can then pour those into the community like I heard something a while maybe like a month ago. And it was like it's not, it's not called a gift because it was given to you it's called a gift so that you can give it to those around you. And I really think like we all have our purpose like we like I would be I don't know if I'll be the baby catcher, because I'm not a medical professional. But I will be like the school teacher for the kids. And like, you know, the person helping the new parents and like, there's somebody else who's really good at gardening, and herbalism and all that somebody else is really good at, you know, the accountability piece. And like, you know, making sure that folks are following the rules and whatever else. Like we all have our roles. And just in my ideal future, we all have had the ability in the space and the support to explore who we are so that we know what our roles are so that we can live in our communities, and thrive in those communities. And actually, you live the lives we want to live while being left alone. That's a big piece. Like just I think one of the biggest themes in whiteness, and white supremacy is that like, they refuse to leave us alone. Like even if we're minding our business, wherever and we are thriving without them, like they will go out of their way to interrupt us and harmless. And like what would it look like if we just left blank people alone? And let us not even let us but just if we had the space to do what we wanted to do, we had the resources to do we wanted to do, and there's nobody trying to tear us down from the outside or from the inside. Like and we're all just vibing we're all living our lives, like what could that look like? And I I hope to see it because I don't know what that will look like I would love to just envision it. And I think I think it could happen. And I I would love to see it happen in a widespread way. Because it also breaks my heart that there's so many. Like, it's not a coincidence that a lot of the organizers in Atlanta are college educated, right? It's not a coincidence that a lot of us are. And maybe we don't have a lot of privilege and a lot of other ways. But a lot of us even if we didn't graduate went to college, which you know, there's a level of of I don't I don't know if I would call it privilege but a level of access there. And like, what would it look like if we all have that access, even the black folks in the hood even because we know that queer folks are everywhere. And we know that queer folks are in the country or in the hood or in you know, these places that we don't expect queer folks to be in quote unquote, but like, I don't know, I my big thing about the sovereign, the sovereign space that I'm dreaming of, like, I want everybody to have access to it. It shouldn't be behind a paywall. It shouldn't be behind. You know, only accessible for certain people. It really shouldn't be for everyone. 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