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My name is Dartricia Rollins, and I'm here with Ashby Combahee, and we are interviewing Zoe Lucier-Julian for the We Tell Our Own Stories: Reproductive Justice oral histories event. Today is November 15, 2024, and Georgia Dusk: a southern liberation oral history project is conducting this oral history at Loudermilk Conference Center in downtown Atlanta as part of JusticeNOW 2024 a cross movement power building and power shifting national conference. You've been asked to participate in this oral history as part of the documentation of the long history of resistance, struggle and organizing in Georgia and across the US South. Spark Reproductive Justice NOW is one of the central organizations within this legacy of community networks, organizing, strategies and resources for healing in response to constant state repression. The oral history interviews provide elements of history that are often not apparent in traditional archival documents or dominant media, the interviews enable participants to reclaim the narrative and historical representation of reproductive justice, organizing and movement building. So now, Zoe, can you please introduce yourself by saying your name, pronouns, age and organizing or cultural work you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=3.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\nYes, my name is Zoe Lucier-Julian. My pronouns are they/them. I'm 37 years old. I'm old, and the cultural organizing work that I do is directly related to reproductive health, abortion work, gender affirming care, perinatal work in the context of reproductive justice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=81.0,108.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nAll right, thank you. And so um, our opening question is, who would you like to dedicate your oral history to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=108.0,115.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian \n\nI just like, I just want to say thank you for offering that question. It's not even something I thought about before coming to sit with y'all today. Um, but I want to dedicate my history to one of my ancestors. Her name was she was known as Mother Gordon. She was a midwife and a religious and cultural leader in her community in Kingston, Jamaica, and I feel almost 100% certain in my spirit, that she did abortion work. It just doesn't make sense for her not to have done it. So I think about her a lot. I've been learning more about her as of late, and so it feels important to call her in. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=115.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nThank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=154.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian \n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=154.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nOkay, so where are you from? And where do you currently live?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=155.0,161.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\nOriginally from, New Jersey, I haven't lived there in--since I was 18 years old, so it feels strange to say that's where I'm from, but that's where I grew up, and I currently live in Atlanta, and this is my home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=161.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nDid you come to Atlanta directly after leaving New Jersey? Okay, and you've been here ever since?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=175.0,179.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\nNo, I have lived many places. I came to Atlanta in 2010 for medical school at Emory University.  I have not. I would love to say I've been here ever since, but I did, take a couple of detours. I went to California the Bay Area for my training after medical school, from 2015 to 2019 and then for a short time, was in Alabama during like peak COVID season. And then finally was able to get back to Atlanta in 2021","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=179.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nWell, we're glad to have you here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=221.0,222.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=222.0,223.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nAll right, so when did you begin to build political consciousness, or when did you start to become aware of things around you, outside of your home that impacted people that maybe looked like you or didn't look like you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=223.0,246.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian \n\nYeah, so I feel like my like, first awareness of that was, that I can really recall is definitely high school. Um, I grew up in a really racially, ethnically and religiously diverse middle class suburb in New Jersey, and went to high school at a really wealthy, predominantly white, Jewish, now, I understand Zionist private school in New York City. And so that kind of traversing the George Washington Bridge, going into New York and coming back home to New Jersey, every day. I felt like I was traversing so many like different worlds, being around people with that much wealth and the way that they saw the world, navigated the world, the choices that they were making as high school students that I would never dream of making. The way that they spoke to their parents, the clothes they wore, the fact that they had cars, let alone the cars that they drove. It was my positionality as other was very clear to me, and my approach to navigating that space was to kind of make myself as appeasing and likable as possible. I don't think at the, you know, as a 16/17 year old, I didn't think critically about what I was doing, but that was the way that I took care of myself in that space, and was still able to reap the benefits of, like, essentially a liberal arts education as a high school student. And then it really wasn't until college where then I was back in an enviro... I still was at a predominantly white institution, but back in an environment with mostly Black and brown students and peers that I was like, oh, oh, yeah, that's this is what this feels like, and I don't have to silence myself and make myself small in the same ways that I felt like I had to in high school. But really like the ability to put language and understanding to my different experiences. Started a little bit in college. I took a couple of women's studies courses as an engineering pre med major, so it's definitely not like a feature part of my education. But, did kind of, like it's the first time I ever read Audre Lorde, the first time I ever was really exposed to a Black queer woman scholar. It's the first time I ever learned about what Black feminism was. And even though it was just it felt like a like a drop in a pool of a lot of hard science and other really ridiculous courses, it was enough to kind of start to open something up inside of me. And then I really got politicized in medical school in 2015 around Ferguson and Mike Brown's murder, and that was a new opened up a world of a new understanding of myself, a new understanding of my Blackness, a new understanding of the way that the world related to me, to my family, to my peers, to my community. And that's when I really started to learn more about, like, Black organizing tradition in Atlanta, which is also how I met my spouse. And so it was really like, I feel like Atlanta grew me up in a lot of different ways, in a ways around political consciousness, in my queerness, in my Blackness, and kind of like set me up to start to consider how I wanted to move in my work and career and life differently than my family of origin, or differently than the people that I came at least as I understood them, the people that I came from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=246.0,502.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nThank you. So as you're navigating like coming into your own political consciousness while in medical school, did you know or what led you then to reproductive justice work, or the reproductive justice work that you're doing currently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=502.0,522.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\n So I first heard the word reproductive justice when I was in California in the next part of my medical training. And actually one of my dear mentors and friends gifted me, Dorothy Roberts, Killing the Black Body. And that was like, fuck, this medical industrial complex is fucked. I know this. I know this from working in it, from the ways that I am forced to both be dehumanized and dehumanize other people in this system. And also I felt like I couldn't really interrogate that at the time. Otherwise I wasn't going to make it through. So almost like a similar, I guess, kind of like a similar, not approache as in high school, but a similar, like, let me compartmentalize this part over here so that I can survive this experience, and then I'll come back to it and bring it together and be the type of doctor and and person that I want to be. But that wasn't that wasn't real. Like the ability to separate that out constantly wasn't real. It was a disembodied way of moving through the work and made me feel, so, just fragmented. Just like, broken up into 1000 pieces. And so reading that book, I think, helped me start to, like, put parts of myself back together and understand that, like, Yes, I can do this work, but I can do it differently. There are other possibility models, there are other theories and frameworks and praxis. There are other types of knowledge out there that I can learn and use and incorporate and do this differently than how I've been told is the only way to do it. So after that, I just dove in, like a lot of my early introduction to RJ was actually through research and other at the time, like Black women scholars in nursing and in medicine and in public health and in anthropology and other social sciences, who were using RJ to inform the way they did their research. And so that was where I first started to learn more. And then it wasn't until my final years in my residency training that I got the chance to start going to RJ conferences and actually learning about the human rights social movement, that RJ is independent of healthcare. And that was like, Oh, that what I have come to understand RJ is actually not, and it is a very teeny, tiny, kind of tangential part of the work, but, but that's not the center. So to actually start to understand the center and understand how, like the legacy of RJ in Atlanta, where I had been and hadn't learned about it while I was here, and it wasn't until I returned with this new understanding that I was like, like, I felt betrayed, I felt robbed. I felt like this, like, critical, empowering framework was kept away from me, so it made me really angry. I was really angry for a while, and then I just remember constantly interrogating within these academic structures. I would always ask people who were doing quote unquote RJ work, or RJ aligned work, or community participatory work. Like, do you think you could do this outside of academia? Like, do you think you could do this work outside of your institution? And every person I talked to who was quote unquote doing radical work in the academy felt like it wasn't possible for them to do it outside of it. And that just never sat right with me. That didn't make any sense to me as I started to learn what RJ was really about, and especially as I started to learn more of a of a queered RJ, like a queering which I learned through Spark, like a queering framework of it or perspective on it. And I was like, That makes even less sense. Like, there's no way that the only way someone can do this is in is in these institutions which just perpetuate more injustice and harm. So I felt really angry. I felt really dissonant for a long time with medicine, like, do I still want to do this? Do I still want to be a part of this professional legacy of coercion and violence and dehumanization of my community, my ancestors, my people, the people I actually feel accountable to. And so I feel kind of like once I got to Feminist, Feminist Women's Health Center, where I work now, like I feel like it saved me, like I don't think I would have been able to continue any kind of clinical work without it, without being in a place that RJ was integral to the org, that the org does healthcare, but also does community engagement and community education and empowerment. Also does political advocacy and leadership development like I don't...I could see myself just I don't know what I would have ended up doing as far as my work professionally, but I don't think it would have been continuing to take care of folks in a clinical context, because it just was not sustainable for me, and just the cognitive dissonance of how my own politic was evolving, and the system I was a part of could not continue in that way, and now I can't imagine ever, ever, ever going back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=522.0,883.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYeah. How long have you been at Feminist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=883.0,885.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\nJust since March. Well, in a full time capacity, since March of this year, I have, like, interfaced with Feminist many times, actually, now that I think about it, throughout my work, even, first as a medical student. Was the first time I had ever been there. Was the first time I saw an abortion. It was the first time that I saw Black people working in abortion, actually. Cause, you know, up in in the clinics and hospitals affiliated with these big universities, it was painted to me that abortion was white women's work. All the doctors I saw who did it were white women. Those who specialized in abortion and contraception, were all white women. It was painted to me that like this wasn't really for us. That certainly Black folks needed abortions, were getting abortions, but I didn't see a reflection of myself in the people who were doing that work, until I got to Feminist. And then I was like, oh, that's where all the Black folks are. Like, they're in the they're in the community clinic. They're not up over at the at the big academic center. So then I felt I was like, oh, it's not just me. I'm not making this up. There are other ways to do this. There are other people who've already been doing it. Let me like, lean in, let me get connected, let me learn more. And so as I started to make my way back to Atlanta, it was always my goal to get back to Feminist, to get back here, because of the legacy of RJ in this city, specifically of Black organizing in this city, specifically of liberatory work in it, in the South specifically, and back to Feminist, because that's the only model I saw that currently existed for how I could continue to do all the parts of my work that I wanted to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=885.0,1003.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nAnd so what has it felt like, like being there and having Black colleagues and being in a community clinic and working with patients from this, from this new, I don't know, angle, perspective...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1003.0,1021.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\nYeah, it's, like, deeply transformative, like, it's hard. It's hard in different ways. I'm not, like, fighting with my co-leadership or fighting with people at the org to do the things we know that our community needs. It's that's not the that was the challenge before in other settings now, it's like somebody please give us money to do we need to do. Can you please fund us to do exactly what we know that people need, and folks are just not excited, motivated, incentivized to fund direct services for community members. They want to fund the education project, they want to fund the political advocacy, but they don't want to fund actual care, which is maddening, because not that those other things are not important, they are all critical. So why can't we fund them all? So those are now, like my challenges and my beefs. But there was a lot of I had some trepidation about as much as I knew that that's what I wanted. I did have trepidation about kind of leaving mainstream healthcare, if you will, or like the behemoth that is hospital system based care, because I thought, like, well, now I'm really gonna be fringe, like, I'm a Black, queer, non-binary, abortion provider, and gender-affirming care provider in the South. Like, how much more can I get on the margin? You know, with all of the privilege that comes with being a physician in the socioeconomic class and the way that people see doctors in this country and in our society. But it was just like, man, like, I'm just gonna be further isolated in my profession. And then I thought, but I don't really fuck with them anyway. So, like, is that, what is wrong with that? It just felt like a true like transfer of like, my locus of accountability, and like where I feel seen and valued, and it has allowed me to make choices in my own personal life too, that take better care of that allowed me to take better care of myself, like I never both given care and received care in the same place before. Yeah, in fact, I had assumed that that wasn't possible, that, like my role is a caregiver, and I go figure out how to care for myself someplace else, like that's not what I'm supposed to contribute in clinical space. But, like, I get my hormones where I do abortions, like, that's dope, (fuck yeah) yeah, and that shouldn't be unique, you know. Like, that doesn't have to be rare. So, I don't remember what your question was, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1021.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nYou answered it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1200.0,1201.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\nOkay, great. I just have so much gratitude, like I feel so blessed. I feel so like I can breathe, like I can actually show up as I am. And, yeah, it's also called, called on me to lead in new ways and recognize some of the earned and unearned power that I walk around with. And people ask me to do stuff, and I'm like, You want me to do it? And they're like, yes, why wouldn't we want you to do it? You have all this expertise. You have all of these spaces that you touch like you should be the person to do this, and it's like, okay, yeah, I can. I don't have to make myself small in the space to gain access, which is a strategy that I've had to do in past spaces. So it's also calling on me to show up differently. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1201.0,1258.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins  \n\nSo what led you to come to this conference, this Spark Reproductive JusticeNOW, conference now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1258.0,1265.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\nSo, I am a new board member for Spark, so I was definitely gonna come to the conference regardless. I'm also volunteering, and just excited to like be of service. I've never actually been able to attend this conference in person. The last time that I attended was virtually. I think it was either 2020 or 2021 yeah, when the conference was all virtual. So just another opportunity to like be in shared space. See folks that I haven't seen, see folks that I have seen learn more about what people are up to, how they're thinking about, especially RJ, from a queer and trans centered perspective, in this moment, and it's like soul food, like the work is hard, the state is constantly squeezing us, even just from an abortion perspective. Like we are constantly troubleshooting, navigating, contingency planning. Like, if a total ban happens, what are we going to do? Like, if all these If then, if, then, if, then. And it's exhausting, yeah. And like being in shared space with people who you know have at least some degree of values alignment, is like really important to feel sustained. So that's why I'm here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1265.0,1353.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins \n\nWe're glad you're here. And so my my kind of last questions are, what do you believe is required for us to reach reproductive liberation? And then I guess, like a I'll put them together, which is, what is reproductive liberation look like to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1353.0,1383.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian\n\nOh, so it feels like such, not like it's not like, this is a new question I've considered, but it feels different given the election. Because I think, I mean, I'm at the point where, like, the state's gonna do what the state wants to do, and like I can't be concerned. I mean, I need to be aware, but I can't be overly invested in the results of elections or things that at some point are beyond my control. And I don't necessarily think, at least for me and like where I see my role is required to reach reproductive liberation. Like, I think it is possible for our communities to be liberated outside of, outside of, alongside of, and even within, to a degree the functionary of the world. I think it's small. Like, I don't know that. I don't know that liberation is a destination. I've been like, questioning myself about that a lot lately. Like, we keep we talk about it as if it's this place that we will arrive at, and I don't know that that really serves us, um, because how will we know, like, your question, like, how will we know that we have arrived, um, as opposed to, like, committing to a praxis every day in the details, like, in your like, how you navigate your interpersonal relationships, how you navigate conflict with your community members and your beloveds, how you show up with authenticity and integrity, how you interrogate your own the cop in your own head, the ways that you replicate harms that you are naturally not committed to replicating like that feels more fruitful, when we talk about liberation, because that is something you can commit to no matter what outside forces are are up to. And it just feels, at least to me, like I don't want to feel at the whim of of powers that are not invested in my safety, health, well, being, joy, pleasure, freedom. Um, I'm sure if you caught me another day, I might have a different answer for that question. But today I'm just like, I just can't be bothered with investing energy in people who only want to see my demise. I just can't be bothered. So I'd rather think about, okay, how do we grow? How do we expand? How do we like very practically, how do we take care of each other? Who needs access to what? How do we collect resources? How do we protect those resources from people who don't want us to have them? But also, like, how can we grow and expand despite, not even despite, like, irrelevant to what's happening in DC or wherever else. Yeah, that's what I got. (Yeah, that's right, that's perfect.) That's what I got.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1383.0,1589.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dartricia Rollins\n\nThank you. Well, um, while the audio is going, is there anything else that you would like to share and have on the record?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1589.0,1599.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian \n\nI just want to say thank you to y'all, like the gratitude for for you two, for Georgia Dusk, for doing this work, for archiving, like the importance of archiving stories and like holding. I'm just as you were reading the intro, I was imagining someone 50 years from now, like listening to you, I'm like, oh yeah. Like, Dartricia, just like, yeah, we both know this. But like, that's not the point. Like this is not just for us now. This is, this is like ancestor work. Like this is for descendants who don't exist yet, to be able to reference and feel loved and seen and heard and reflected and like that is just trippy and really powerful. So I hope you all like, know how powerful you are in doing this. (Thank you.) Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1599.0,1646.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ashby Combahee  \n\nReally kind, (yeaah) and it it works. It's here, (yes) because you share your story, because you're here, doing the great work. And so it's a mutually beneficial project for those who come after us, this has been a really great, gritty oral history. *laughter* There's so many points where I was like, let me dig deeper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1646.0,1672.0"},{"id":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424/transcript/94411/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zoë Lucier-Julian  \n\nYes, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://georgiadusk.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3341/collection_resources/150980/file/278424#t=1672.0,1676.991"}]}]}]}